I need to put up a new post since the comments are getting close to the 200 mark again. Still not sure what the problem is with loading more comments after 200, but I'm not in the mood to figure it out right now. Real life and enjoying my summer are much more important to me at this moment. Sorry :(
All I really have to say about all the drama about [SNORT] and Jennyfromtheblock is I'm surprised everyone is so shocked by all of this? It's not like this is the first time it has been proven that many, not all, Mwop people have many of the same troubles as Mckmama. They themselves post about it on Mwop. They say my bankruptcy was because of XYZ and they show no proof only their word or excuses. Many question Mckmama having state health coverage, but yet they themselves are on state health coverage. The list goes on and on to all the hypocrisy that happens.
The facts speak for themselves. It doesn't matter if you change someone elses opinion, if you learned something from all of this, that is all that should matter. I've read the comments and I'd say many have "seen the light" so with that, a difference has been made. Will you change everyone's opinion? Certainly not, some will HATE to HATE and that is not something you can change.
I'm not saying things cannot be discussed here, actually that is exactly what this blog is for. Just don't become like them and HATE to HATE. Don't allow them to bait you and try and have you engage in nasty behavior, this is exactly what they would like you to do. It takes the focus off what the real issue is and no longer is it about [SNORT] or Jennyfromtheblock, it becomes about you and your behavior. Just try and stay on topic and don't be baited.
Hope everyone enjoys their weekend!
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1 – 200 of 261 Newer› Newest»I promised details regarding Snort losing her nursing license due to the fact that she admitted stealing morphine and Dilaudid from her employer. Unfortunately, I am unable to paste the information from the NURSYS site. You should be able to look her information up, as it is public information. Jackson, Carmen Rodrigues. Arizona License number: RN124350. Original issue date: 08/21/03. Expiration Date: 10/29/2010. Discipline Against License: YES (IN BOLD RED LETTERS). UNABLE TO PRACTICE SAFELY BY REASON OF ALCOHOL OR OTHER SUBSTANCE ABUSE. DIVERSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. (In all capital letters). On or about May 28, 2010 Jackson admitted diverting narcotics, specifically Morphine and Dilaudid, from her employer, Tucson Medical Center. Jackson said she took the medications to help control chronic back pain and stress. The law firm and case number are also listed if anyone is interested. There are the facts. Her bankruptsy info is coming soon.
Sometimes you just can't argue with stupid, and I am done trying, we know the TRUTH about Snort and JennyFTB (thanks Kate). Have a great weekend, and if we changed one persons view then we did what we needed.
I don't see the comment I posted? The official report regarding Snort stealing Morphine and that other drug that's even stronger? Its public record.
Its posted now. Thanks admin
IMO you didn't have to include her license #. JM's SSN is part of the public record, but Anja redacts it.
Identity theft isn't possible with a nursing license number.
And now its gone again? Please let me know why? It is public information.
Why did you delete anoy comment? It was there for a minute then gone?
Anonymous posters-the post was not removed. Read all the posts.
Snorts records are public information. She admitted she stole Morphine and Diludid. Her supervisors caught her. Those narcotics are the strongest painkillers - usually given to cancer patients and critically injured patients in the ER. They are closely monitored. Im done. I can't think about this anymore. It makes me sick
The stupid is strong in here.
Haha. I agree. The stupids are funny. But.... I feel sick for supporting Snort and believing her lies.
How did you support her, and what lies did she tell you? Did she claim she wasnt an addict?
Congratulate yourselves, ladies. You've just turned into MWOP pt. 2. Go ahead, spin it anyway you want, but you're doing exactly what you're condemning MWOP for doing.
Read the post on top of the page. Snorts drug issues were posted
Oh you MWOPers really hate when the tables are turned. You have no problem digging up documents on JM, calling businesses, pulling public docs and paying for copies or hours spent listening to transcript, BUT when people start doing the same to the bullies of MWOP and calling them out for their lies, well watch out because we are now MWOP. We don't have anything on you guys!
Again, how did anon 9:53 support her, and did snort deny being an addict?
At least you're admitting that you're no better. It's a start!
I am a little confused about all the excitement with this Snort "revelation." This information was not uncovered by people on this blog. Snort has admitted and Stated these facts previously on MWOP. No "truth" has been revealed. Just because it is news to a few people on here, doesn't mean everyone else didn't already know this.
I promised details regarding Snort losing her nursing license due to the fact that she admitted stealing morphine and Dilaudid from her employer. Unfortunately, I am unable to paste the information from the NURSYS site. You should be able to look her information up, as it is public information. Jackson, Carmen Rodrigues. Arizona License number: RN124350. Original issue date: 08/21/03. Expiration Date: 10/29/2010. Discipline Against License: YES (IN BOLD RED LETTERS). UNABLE TO PRACTICE SAFELY BY REASON OF ALCOHOL OR OTHER SUBSTANCE ABUSE. DIVERSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. (In all capital letters). On or about May 28, 2010 Jackson admitted diverting narcotics, specifically Morphine and Dilaudid, from her employer, Tucson Medical Center. Jackson said she took the medications to help control chronic back pain and stress. The law firm and case number are also listed if anyone is interested. There are the facts. Her bankruptsy info is coming soon
nonymous June 29, 2012 10:27 PM
I promised details regarding Snort losing her nursing license due to the fact that she admitted stealing morphine and Dilaudid from her employer. Unfortunately, I am unable to paste the information from the NURSYS site. You should be able to look her information up, as it is public information. Jackson, Carmen Rodrigues. Arizona License number: RN124350. Original issue date: 08/21/03. Expiration Date: 10/29/2010. Discipline Against License: YES (IN BOLD RED LETTERS). UNABLE TO PRACTICE SAFELY BY REASON OF ALCOHOL OR OTHER SUBSTANCE ABUSE. DIVERSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. (In all capital letters). On or about May 28, 2010 Jackson admitted diverting narcotics, specifically Morphine and Dilaudid, from her employer, Tucson Medical Center. Jackson said she took the medications to help control chronic back pain and stress. The law firm and case number are also listed if anyone is interested. There are the facts. Her bankruptsy info is coming soon
I read this at the top as well. Snort has referred to these details in the past. She never tried to hide this information. Still confused about some people's excitement.
Yeah, you tell yourselves whatever helps you sleep at night. LFMAO. You're just as much a hater blog as you think MWOP is.
We get it, Anon 10:27. This stuff has been posted before. None of this is news.
I give up. Melissa- you obviously have not read the post we are talking about. Sweet dreams
"I'm not saying things cannot be discussed here, actually that is exactly what this blog is for. Just don't become like them and HATE to HATE. Don't allow them to bait you and try and have you engage in nasty behavior, this is exactly what they would like you to do. It takes the focus off what the real issue is and no longer is it about [SNORT] or Jennyfromtheblock, it becomes about you and your behavior. Just try and stay on topic and don't be baited."
Well, I just went & looked at Snort's past comments. And other than her being a really vile person, I couldn't find anything about how she got caught being inable to practice, diverted controlled substances and had to surrender her license.
Do you have a quote or a date/MWoP post title where I could look up how Snort referred to these details in the past?
And people's excitement is easily explained:
MWoP claims to be the last outpost of moral virtue that is holding JM accountable and thus making the world a better place.
Yet when one of their own turns out to be anything but a morally upstanding person they distribute hugs and comfort instead of applying the same standards as to JM.
Thus they prove themselves to be hypocrites of the gargantuan order who are not representing morales and ethics after all but only blind hatred against JM.
And for those here who have suspected that all along it's nice to have the confirmation.
And one more thing I noticed when I tried to look up Snort's version of 'woe is me'.
There are some MWoPs who claim they tried to comment here but got deleted, never made it out of moderation even though they were polite & all.
@ Lauren, could you kindly confirm if you deleted many polite comments?
MWoPs who never made it out of moderation or got deleted:
Did you use 'load more' (like you have to do on MWoP when comment count exceeds a certain number) and verified that your comment is really gone before you cried foul?
Yeah, I'm not really relying on an answer. But it would be interesting to know how many finger pointing 'polite commenters' are just unable to find their posts.
Kate, do you have a quote or a date/mwop post title where I could look up how mwop claims to be the last outpost of moral virtue?
Sort of like those who claim they were banned from mwop because they simply disagreed.
They all sound like real brainiacs to me.
So what does everyone think about MckMama's comments on Obamacare and Planned Parenthood?
What is this sites purpose? To out what "they" think is a bully by being a bigger bully? Honestly, I don't get it. The other site (I read, not post) doesn't go nearly as far as this site, IMHO, on meanness or personal info. The other site is fact based. What is this one?
Snort has never claimed to be perfect, never given advice on money, never given advice on pills, never lied about any of it. Actually I have seen her post about her medical and personal problems several times. She isn't holier than thou and she isn't going around asking me to support her with gift cards or prayers. She is who she is. If she was claiming to be perfect with no problems, then I can see what the problem would be (pot call kettle in that instance). But she's not. Actually nobody on the other site has claimed to be perfect. They have stated the perfectness portrayed on another site makes them feel like they aren't good enough with their faults.
Anyway, I don't know the "players" here, I have no clue who runs this, no clue who Kate with all the facts/time/posts is, I only read because I was duped at one time by a blog and like to see how it how plays out in the end. JMHO. Have a Blessed Day.
In all seriousness, I don't get my opinions or facts from someone who spends 8 hours a day at the pool or 3 days straight at waterparks. I don't google to get my opinions. I don't read tabloids to form my opinions. I also don't spew my opinions when I have a forum. When my children were small, I didn't have time to be informed enough to have an educated opinion on brand new hot topics for awhile! We are all thankfully entitled to our own opinions and live with our own choices. JMHO :)
I'm certain she didn't have to surrender her license... I've met many, many nurses who have done this and they go through a rehab program approved by the nursing board and are allowed to care for patients again once it is complete. Sometimes they are prohibited from handing out narcotics, sometimes not.
And just because a nurse has reccieved disapline against her license doesn't mean they lost it.
Lauren deleted a lot of comments on the past post, so if those people were replying to a comment that Lauren felt needed to be deleted, then their "nice comment" was also deleted to by default. At least, that was what had happened to me.
Lauren has also stated that this may happen due to the comment system she is using.
We all, whether we admit it or not, like to feel just a little bit better than those around us. It's a self-esteem thing and goes a long way in explaining the pack mentality of sites like MWoP and more recently, this blog.
A lot of you post here anonymously but really, we're all anonymous. Telling you my name is Karen doesn't tell you who I am. It doesn't tell you if I've ever filed for bankruptcy or whether or not I'm an addict, a thief, a liar, a bad financial decision-maker, etc. It tells you nothing about me, just as most of you have told us nothing about you. Some of you are upset that people like Jennyftb and Snort are judging Jennifer when they themselves have admitted to having some of the above problems. What about you, though? What qualifies any of you to sit in judgement of them? Have any of you disclosed your personal lives so that we know you are superior to these women and may therefore feel free to judge them? And how could we possibly know if you're telling the truth? It is the internet after all and anyone can be anyone.
My point is that you've taken information these women freely (stupidly?) gave and used it to pile on, just as they've done to Jennifer. You are no better and certainly no worse. Where Jennyftb and Snort are concerned, you're the same. I know I'll be piled on for saying so but step back and look at it. I'm not calling all of you bullies, I'm saying the behaviors on display here by some are incredibly similar. I know you're trying to show MWoPers what it feels like to be Jennifer but you're forgetting something; if Jennifer wanted to fight MWoP, she could've done so long ago. She chooses not to engage. My guess is she does that because MWoP drives more traffic her way and keeps her followers sympathetic to her. (As I'd guess this site does, too) I'd further guess that MWoP doesn't bother her nearly as much as it seems to bother some of you. So while some of you think you're fighting the good fight, she in all likelihood doesn't even care.
The other thing you're forgetting is that these women on MWoP have formed relationships with each other. They validate and back up each other. They have bonds that you won't break. Those posting here about never going back are not the hard-core haters, they're mostly people who don't actually post but just read MWoP. It's great that they've decided not to go back but they aren't really who you're trying to stop. Unfortunately you can't stop the people you need to stop in order to close down MWoP. Only Jennifer can do that and she doesn't appear to be willing to follow through with her threats. (Assuming this, as I can't know what she is or isn't doing)
Maybe a better course of action for this site would be to just expose the bullies without getting down in the mud with them. The best way to deal with a bully is not to engage them. So maybe just point out what and who they are and question their qualifications for sitting in judgement of another human being without getting into detailed nit-picking conversations with them. In my opinion, this kind of thing just makes you look like yet another hate site. You may also want to expand your horizons and look around at other hate sites and maybe call them out as well? This place most definitely looks like an anti-MWoP site, as that's all that ever seems to be talked about here.
Sorry for the long comment, I can be accused of a lot of things but being concise isn't one of them. :)
As far as Snort always being truthful....
I think she posted on her site that the BK happened in her first marriage. Someone on here said it was only a year or two ago, which I don't think would fit in her first marriage.
She has cleaned the comments' section of many posts, where she goes into detail about these matters.
Well, look at this:
" on Off Topic Discussion 6/13/2012 2 weeks ago
I don't know if you've ever wasted any time reading my blog, but I have been open with my struggles with depression and substance abuse. You are not alone. Sit back and let Snort tell you a story:
About this time, 5 or so years into my nursing career, I started to become burned out. Nursing is a really hard profession, especially if you work in high acuity areas like ICU and ER (which is what I did). I started having panic attacks. I went to work scared that I was going to make a mistake and cause someone to die. Management treated us like cattle. I felt trapped because I was so unhappy yet I had no choice: I was the only source of income.
Over the years I became more and more anxious and depressed. I worked night shift, so my sleep was already fucked up, but it got worse.
Both depression and addiction run in my family, and in late 2009 I started abusing pain medication. I just couldn't cope anymore. I gave and gave all I had to my patients. I spent my entire adult life up to that point caring for other people, and no one took care of me.
I chose not to return to nursing and surrendered my license."
That's from Snort's disqus. I'm not sure how to bold on here or I would bold the really pertinent parts. Like how she admits to abusing pain medication.
And there are other posts if, you know, you actually bother to look.
I took some stuff not relevant out because the comment was too long. But it's there for you to go look up.
Kate, I just posted below a past post of Snort's that I found where she admits to having been addicted to pain medication. There are more to be found if you bothered to look.
I think her whole blog is sad. And frankly, with her problems, she should look for more positive ways to use her time and, ahem, "talents". She sounds like a schoolyard bully who has gone off her meds.
Snort filed bankruptcy in 1/11/11 Chapter 7 in Arizona the file # is 11-00816. This was clearly AFTER her losing her job for drug theft from her employer. The bankruptcy list her current husband as the co-debtor and this is what really bothers me about her judging Mckmama and her bankruptcy, Snort lost her job due to a choice to steal drugs from her employer and this caused the loss of her income. So after her job loss she files bankruptcy and then has another child.
How nice to get to have your bills all wiped out and you get to stay home and be a stay at home home, put your pre schooler in school that cost money and stay home with your new baby. All because you were a drug addict who stole drugs from her employer. Snort how come you didn't get a job and pay the creditors back instead of just walking away? You could be working now to pay your debt to society.
Just like Snort felt she had a right to judge Mckmama, well I guess that means I have a right to judge Snort. I'm only following the same rules that Snort applied.
I could respond in kind but instead, I will just chuckle at the irony of this comment. ;)
I agree Anon 10.15, I read a few comments over at mwop and they are seem to be upset that this website is discussing them, go figure on the irony on that comment. The double standard is amazingly blind sometimes.
Well, I didn't have a 4.0 in college, but I can read when I have been banned. Just like I can read the comment at the top of this page about making up a name for posting. ;)
29 creditors!!!
Fact based? With all of the speculation/assumptions/fiction that wildly goes on in the comments, how can you say fact based with a straight face?
You know what, I have read on JM's site about how she's not perfect or claiming to be either, but one of the "facts" that mwop tosses about is that she does claim to be perfect.
I don't get being duped by a blog, never have, never will. Nobody is exactly what they say they are, everyone had hidden pieces in their lives.
Good post, I also think you could substitute JM for mwop and it would also read well.
What I find interesting is the blindly obvious double standard that mwop seems to portray in their judgement of JM. Blindly obvious, yet they can't see. I do think this site tends to keep most of the information here, there aren't any requests for pictures of snort or Jenny out in the real world and there isn't any speculation or comments on their children (and their looks, dress, so forth). I'm not treating snort/jenny as if they are some public figure that I want to stalk (see pictures of, ask friends of friends information about them and so forth) and know every little detail about them, I just don't value their judgments based on their actions.
Other blogs have been talked about, fyi.
I haven't read the filing, and I'm not going to, but I think she did say it was with her ex that she filed the bk. She made it sound like it wasn't a recent thing. Well..... sounds like it was.
I feel sorry for her. I hope her husband and doctors have her stop this hateful blogging. For her addiction and depression issues, it cannot be a good thing.
And I'm not a prude, but the words used on her blog.. OMG. The C word... Who talks like that?!? Wow, just wow. When you go to a site, and the worst of humanity is brought out, it tells you a lot about the person running it.
There are plenty of facts on the right sidebar. enough for anyone to form their opinion of JM. Personally, I think that what goes on in the comments should be viewed separately from the stuff on the sidebar. Of course, that's not usually what happens.
She deleted many of her "inconsistencys". She forgot to delete the posting about being a nurse for 10 years. It was only 7 years.
Thanks for your reply.
I should have been more specific in that I was speaking mainly about the comments. I haven't seen anyone linking to pictures and such; I have seen that on this blog (not to anyone's children though) as well as real names, professions, etc. but not in this particular case. I think Lauren does a good job of stopping that kind of thing but she of course can't be here 24/7 so sometimes links stay up until she sees them.
I also know others have been called out here but not to the extent that MWoP has. NieNie (who is a lot of things but I personally don't see her as a bully) and GOMI (briefly) come to mind.
Part of my point was more that people here are judging just as MWoPers do with the added benefit that no one knows who anyone is here. We don't know who here is a liar, an addict, has filed bankruptcy, etc. We can't go back and see if anyone has contradicted themselves either since anyone can post as "Anon". Jennyftb and Snort are being vilified because they have no business judging anyone given their own words and backgrounds but what do we know about those doing the vilifying? Perhaps they have no business sitting in judgement of anyone else, either.
I think a further point about the possible similarities between this blog and MWoP is, well, take a look around you. The point has been made about both Jennyftb and Snort and yet some are still beating that horse into an unrecognizable bloody mess. Instead of emulating the haters and using their actions as an excuse, my suggestion was to just expose them without becoming them. Snort's name, RN license#, disciplinary action report, and her bk case number and the state it was filed in have now been posted here and picked apart with much speculation. Some would say fair game because it was done on MWoP. I say what's the difference between here and there where it concerns this particular case. (not as a whole but just what I've discussed here)
If this blog continues down this road, no one will take it seriously and it will end up as just another hater blog, if it hasn't already become that. This is just my opinion as an observer, of course and you are all free to do and say whatever you like. I'm not the internet police. I was just trying to point out some of the obvious similarities and offer suggestions as to how to differentiate yourselves from MWoP. In other words, how not to become the thing you hate.
"Just like Snort felt she had a right to judge Mckmama, well I guess that means I have a right to judge Snort. I'm only following the same rules that Snort applied."
Following your own logic, everyone now has the right to judge you. Good thing you're anonymous, unlike Snort who, whatever you think of her, at least used her own name on her blog.
Here is the second comment Snort make on MWOP last year, before the McKinneys declared bankruptcy.
"My husband and I declared bankruptcy in January 2010. We lost the house to foreclosure, but had all of our credit card debt and outstanding medical bills wiped away. I also surrendered 6 acres of land that I inherited from an uncle, and that put us into Chapter 7 (no repayment at all) instead of chapter 13 (repaying a part of the outstanding debts). We were still paying on one vehicle at the time of filing and were allowed to keep the vehicle provided we made the payments (and Wells Fargo even dropped our interest rate). We both still have to pay student loans---you cannot wipe those away. Now we are successfully living on one income, and, most importantly, pay CASH for everything. We had to supply a list of every single expense, a list of all of our furniture/appliances and their estimated worth, and had to have all of our jewelery and my husband's guitars appraised. The trustee appointed to our case was responsible for selling the 6 acres of land I surrendered and using the funds generated to pay some of our creditors. She also was entitled to our tax refund checks from the 2009 fiscal year to disperse to our creditors as she saw fit. But she does not help us spend our money correctly. You have to take two online classes regarding budgeting, money management, credit, and the bankruptcy process. It feels good to have a fresh start. You bet your arse we won't end up like the McKinneys!"
Good for you.
Oops! She meant January 2011. Oops! She meant she filed bankruptcy with her 2nd husband - not her first
Karen does it not bother you that someone who was bashing Mckmama for filing bankruptcy has herself filed, only difference she filed because she was a thief and drug addict and lost her job. At least Mckmama never did that!
"Judging" someone isn't always a bad thing, in fact, we do it all the time. But, it depends on how it is done and with what intention. You can also judge someone yet have sympathy and compassion for them. You can judge someone yet still keep an open mind that you could be wrong.
Anon 4:27,
No, it doesn't bother me. Why should it? I don't know either Snort or Jennifer personally. I'm not emotionally invested in either of them. I have no stake in anything either of them do. People file for bankruptcy every day of the week. People judge (and bash) each other all the time. As Anon 5:48 said, we all do it all the time. We absolutely can do it with sympathy, compassion and an open mind but that isn't happening here.
As for "At least Mckmama never did that!", the same can be said about Snort when it comes to all the things Jennifer has done. It's a matter of perspective. Jennifer made more than enough money to pay her mortgages and her vehicle payments, etc. but willfully chose not to. Snort developed an addiction and from the sound of it screwed up her own life. Personally, I don't see the point in tearing down someone who's already done a pretty good job of that herself. Should she be piling on Jennifer? I'd have to say no but I don't see where it's any better or worse than what's being done to her here. The only other thing I'll say about it is that in both cases, no one except those directly involved knows exactly what happened. (You can add Jennyftb to that, too) No matter how much copying/pasting of someone's words from another blog is done here, you still don't have the whole story because you weren't there.
I think if you are always viewing your life in terms of what you lack (money, a good marriage, well-adjusted children, happiness, love, etc.) then you are more prone to feel it's acceptable to bash/judge other people.
It appears that a lot of people are envious of the money Jennifer has made through her blog. Instead of looking for ways in which they can make that kind of money (or simply be content with what they have at the moment), they sit and stew and feel envious. Just because someone has more money than you does not necessarily translate into happiness...because does anyone really think Jennifer is happy? Of course not. She is miserable and she most likely cannot sleep at night. And even if she isn't, there is no honor in cheating a system and karma finds a way to give back to you what you dish out. So instead of spending your days finding ways to "out" one another, why not ask yourselves if what you have in this very moment is enough for your happiness. If it's not, then you are not living in the moment (which is all we have). The negative energy that you expend attacking each other begets negative energy. Try looking at each others lives with compassion, instead of finding joy in their flaws or mistakes or outright deceptions. It's really freeing to let all that anger go. It's not productive. It's just wasted time you never get back. There's such good in the world but a lot of people never see it because they are so focused on the bad.
Do you honestly believe that because Snort took drugs from the hospital, people with cancer and critically injured people in the ER had to do without those drugs? Hyperbole thy name is Anonymous.
Excellent comment.
Karen, your comments are always so intelligent and well thought out. Thank you for your insight. :)
I agree that the attacks on MCKMAMA are really jealousy over her ability to make six figures by blogging about her family, her kids, her life. Most of it is based on financial jealousy. I think, from their comments, a lot of people at MWOP are poor. Instead of focusing on changing their financial outlook, they attack. Sad, but true.
BTW, I don't think MCKMAMA is miserable.
I totally agree with your comment! Unfortunately nothing will change. :( all of the popular mom bloggers have hate sites.
All the popular mom blogs have hate sites? Ugh. And we wonder where kids get it from.
I don't read many blogs, but it is like a crazy, crazy world. Now I look at other moms at school and wonder who posts outrageous stuff that they wouldn't say IRL.
Karen,
Do you think MWOP judges with sympathy, compassion, and an open mind?
It kind of is how 'diversion of narcotics' is described though.
Before you get your Shakespeare on here, couldn't you make a quick fact check?
From all I've seen, Snort did not divulge the diversion of narcotics problem.
So when inquiring minds go google the whole 'diversion of narcotics' describe that those addicted nurses seem to do exactly that, yes.
Get assigned to an oncology ward, exchange the patient's meds with placebos and go on their merry - soon to be condemning mommy bloggers - way.
(I generalized the part about the condemning mommy bloggers. I happen to like hyperbole.)
Anon 8:44,
Of course not. Do you want to be like them?
I laughed. It was a good one. No irony.
My point was that the hospital isn't likely to run out of drugs for those who need them because someone stole some of them, which was what I took Anon 8:13's comment to mean. My apologies for not understanding 8:13's meaning.
"I happen to like hyperbole"
Indeed, you do.
Thanks.
I did bother to look. And I'd seen the post you quoted. If you'd bothered to read line 3/4/5 of my comment you'd realize I didn't ask for the background of how or when or why she became an addict.
I asked if the whole 'diversion of narcotics' had been disclosed. And I seem to miss it in your post too. If your post was @9:15.
Thank you, anon 7:00.
Thanks for replying.
(Let's chalk it up to comment section gets wonky once you hit 200 comments. Lauren really doesn't delete plain rudeness.)
I don't agree with many of the conclusions you've drawn.
You don't see how JM has taken responsibility or changed her behavior. Ok.
You do see Snort admitting, making amends and going forward. Ok.
Then you relate to Snort's admitted addiction with your own story and ask if you should be put in prison. Ok.
These are 3 very different things, IMO.
Should you be put in prison for your addiction? How is this even a question? I'm sorry for what you've been through, I admire you in many ways and I wish you the very best.
Please understand though that nobody is bashing Snnort for being an addict as such.
She has been upfront with the whole 'former addict' thing at MWoP some months ago, yes. But I've not seen her being open about the diversion of narcs thing. That's the problem.
What I have seen of her is joining MWoP, shining a bright light on a bankruptcy filing mommy blogger, putting herself out in the name of bashing JM's pill shilling while hiding her own skeletons.
She devoted a whole day imitating and mocking JM's pills. While admitting that she needs elective and invasive surgery to get her weight problems under control.
There I draw the line.
Anon 5:49,
"The other site (I read, not post) doesn't go nearly as far as this site, IMHO, on meanness or personal info. "
There's your problem. Short of you being blind there's no possible reason for you to say that. Blind people don't make good conversationalists on the internet.
Sounds like you are making excuses for Snort, as if what she did was okay because the hospital had more. Yes, the hospital had more but she had probably been doing this for a long time unknown to the hospital. So there likely were people going without meds because of Snort. It is sick that someone took an oath to protect her patients, but instead stole drugs from them.
Gotcha. You like to wield snark out first and only if questioned read what you're actually snarking about.
I'll go Hobbes on you some other time.
Kate...exactly right!!!
I think Jennifer is entitled to her opinion and though it might not align with yours, she is still entitled to it and no one HAS to partake in the conversation. MY opinion is I hope he is gone come Jan 1. He is doing so much harm to this country. It amazes me that people aren't getting informed on what Obamacare really means for the middle class. It isn't about insurance for everyone, it is about the ability to tax the poor/middle class for something they already can't afford.
Fact base...that is laughable. It is basically a gossip site because there is more speculation, assumptions in those comments than this site BY FAR. If you wanted it to stand as a fact based site, then no one should be allowed to post comments.
She just left that important detail that she diverted drugs from her patients, and yes, that is an important detail. She was using/abusing drugs while caring for those patients, and stealing from them. So we have established that she admitted to abusing drugs, but not diverting them while at her job. I don't think Kate or anyone else is denying she posted the above, but not the whole truth.
I was going to say, I sure hope you don't think MWOP judges Jennifer with sympathy, compassion or an open mind AT ALL, quite the opposite. So I guess, why aren't they judging Snort the same way they do Jennifer? She has done things just as bad, if not worse as I consider diverting drugs pretty bad, but they are praising her for talking about it, etc. Double standard, I think so!!! Also, pretty well most MWOPers are anonymous, but just use made up names no different then being anonymous.
"We all, whether we admit it or not, like to feel just a little bit better than those around us."
And here I disagree with you, Karen, right at the gate.
I resent how you try to make this a catch-22 of pathetic.
"the pack mentality of sites like MWoP "
If there's a pack there's a leader, right? Who's the leader at MWoP?
"Some of you are upset that people like Jennyftb and Snort are judging Jennifer when they themselves have admitted to having some of the above problems. What about you, though?"
Ok, here's where I won't go on reading your drivel.
You don't understand hypocrisy. That's fine. But don't go anywhere and try to be all lecturing. You don't have the tools.
Nobody is upset with jenny or Snort having problems. People might get testy when the likes of jenny or Snort join/create forces to monitor, harass and ultimately stop one single person not so different from the jenny or Snort themselves.
And when confronted with it start to whine (jenny), be foul (Snort) about having a taste of their own medicine.
I agree. I think that is why Roobii reports everything back. I think she is jealous of what Jennifer has and the money she is making. I am not saying she uses it always wisely, but that isn't for me to judge. I just think Roobii likes the attention they give her. I read a comment the other day from her about not being needed since "x" was now reporting or something along those lines...sounded like she had hurt feelings.
Really? She seems very unhappy to me, like she's always looking for more, better, or different. Like she's trying so hard to be special that she has a hard time just being herself.
She makes me very glad that I have a mostly drama-free life.
Karen,
"Following your own logic, everyone now has the right to judge you. Good thing you're anonymous, unlike Snort who, whatever you think of her, at least used her own name on her blog."
Following anon 11:24's and then your logic, care to show me where
""Just like Snort felt she had a right to judge Mckmama, well I guess that means I have a right to judge Snort. I'm only following the same rules that Snort applied."
has a hidden condition of non-anonymity? And of course, everybody can now judge anon 11:24 by the same rules she's called Snort out for.
Feel free to start.
I really don't see why anyone would be jealous of mckmama financially. I think she's one of those people who will always be a financial mess whether she makes $40,000 a year or $240,000.
Karen, good comments. It's nice to see someone use kind words to debate.
Kate,
You really are being very condescending and rude. Do you think people truly hear what you have to say when you "talk" to them that way?
Karen,
Again. :: Sigh ::
"Should she [Snort] be piling on Jennifer? I'd have to say no but I don't see where it's any better or worse than what's being done to her here."
Your 'but' is meaningless though. Bad enough that you don't see it, but trust me, not having joined/created a website just to 'do to her' is better. Unlike what Snort did to JM.
Worse is though, you haven't given the chronology any thought.
"No matter how much copying/pasting of someone's words from another blog is done here, you still don't have the whole story because you weren't there."
Wait, wait, wait. Who said we had the whole story? Who you're talkin' to? Seriously?
I'm ANON 8:20
I don't think she is miserable or unhappy, I think she has a lot of growing up to do and is a little ADD. But, I think she likes that. Let's face it, in her 30s, she has a nose ring. To me, that's kinda out there. I mean, hell would freeze over before I let my cat roam around like she does while traveling. She likes to live on the edge, in many ways, even with her animals. But, I think that will always be her.
And not jealous of her financial choices, but of her ability to stay home, tell the world about her everyday life, and make $100,000/yr. doing it. Those MWOPers act like she has won the lottery.
"I just think Roobii likes the attention they give her. I read a comment the other day from her about not being needed since "x" was now reporting or something along those lines...sounded like she had hurt feelings."
Yes, thank you. I so agree with you.
That was just another hypocrisy of MWoP, ranting about JM baiting for clicks while Roobii was baiting for ... nothing.
But leaving cryptical messages like 'nothing here to see' or 'I didn't think she would go there, allude to that. But as nobody has said anything, neither will I.' Whetting people's appetite and never deliver.
I don't care.
Call me out for not sugar coating things, I'll agree.
I don't want 'people' to hear. Other than - right now - Karen. And from what I've seen of her, she can take it.
Nobody wants me to reply to Karen in a polite way. Because that would entail a lot of details.
I was blunt. You read condescending. I can't help what you read into things.
The posters over there tend to have a few things in common. One, their bashing of anything Christian. Some posters even take the opportunity to bash Christianity using their usernames. It is completely in your face.
I know Snort says she is an atheist. Is that a requirement to be considered accepted over there?
It seems like they are making this a religious disagreement as well, which is completely crazy.
Sorry if this topic has already been discussed.
I can be blunt, too. Kate, if you were half as persuasive as you think you are smart, you wouldn't have to bludgeon people over the head with your comments.
The chronology? So it is about "they did it first, they do it worse, so I'm justified"? That's weak.
I'm very curious why most of the people here continue to bash mwop for "judging" jennifer for filing bankruptcy?
I think it's pretty clear that most people are angry with Jennifer for filing bankruptcy WHEN SHE HAD THE MEANS TO PAY HER BILLS.
She has made a lot, a LOT of money in the past few years. But seemingly has chosen to just...not pay anything!
That's what people at mwop are angry about.
And then, when she DID file bankruptcy, she turned around and lied about her income.
This is why I don't understand everybody here calls everybody there "hypocritical."
When Jennyftb filed her bankruptcy, did they have the means to pay all of their bills? (And I'm not talking about the fact that they wanted to keep their credit cards, but then didn't...I'm asking...did they have the means to pay their bills, but still chose to file bankruptcy).
Same with Snort. Did they have the means to pay all of their bills but still chose bankruptcy?
No. But Jennifer has had the means to pay her bills and simply chooses not to.
Scottie
The ass-kissing of Roobi is hard to watch. Hard to see them do it, weird to see her suck it up.
JenM, while making some bad decisions, makes bank without having to put her kids in daycare, lives balls-to-the-wall and enjoys life at full speed, regardless of anyone's opinion of how she lives. MWOP, meanwhile, seems to be full of poor, unhappy and obese people all suffering odd phobias and issues who talk freely about how MWOP is their only social outlet. Yeah, jealousy is a big issue over there.
So, it's cool to run up bills you can't possibly pay and walk on them. Great!
FWIW, both positions are unacceptable. How does knowingly racking up debt you lack the earning power to sustain make Snort and JenFTB superior to JenM? Maybe instead of bitching about how much cash JenM makes from her blog, they should take a cue and do something to support their families too. Heck, JenFtb seems disappointed her husband us actually going to get back to supporting her and their many, many children. Unbelievable.
There is no moral high ground in this story. Not Jen, not MWOP, nowhere. It's just an endless circle-jerk of point/counterpoint action/reaction.
They're probably thinking the same thing.
I don't think anybody is saying it's cool to run up bills you can't pay.
But that's the point of bankruptcy. You've screwed up and can't pay what you said you'd pay...here's a second chance.
Agree with the principles behind it or not, that's what bankruptcy is for.
Bankrupcty is not, however, for people who CAN pay their bills, but simply decide not to.
As for your comment regarding Jennyftb being disappointed that her husband will be returning to work...seriously? Are we reaching just a little bit here?
You do know what bittersweet means, right? Here, let me help you.
bittersweet (ˈbɪtəˌswiːt)
— n
1. any of several North American woody climbing plants of the genus Celastrus , esp C. scandens , having orange capsules that open to expose scarlet-coated seeds: family Celastraceae
2. another name for woody nightshade
— adj
3. tasting of or being a mixture of bitterness and sweetness
4. pleasant but tinged with sadness
In this situation, I believe Jennyftb was using the word in the context of definition #4. Now, because you clearly missed this part of her comment and are hell bent on dumping on her even more...let's break down her situation for you, in light of the definition of the word she used.
Pleasant but twinged with sadness
pleasant Her husband will return to work
twinged with sadness they will miss him when he does
Rail on her for her bankruptcy if you must, but don't down the woman for enjoying her husband's presence.
That's just...nitpicky.
Scottie
Kate says: "There's your problem. Short of you being blind there's no possible reason for you to say that. Blind peeple don't make good conversationalists"
MY response: "There's your problem. Short of you being closed minded, rude, only considering your own opinion and calling others names when you don't know them, there's no possible reason for you to say that. Rude people who judge people they don't know don't make good conversationalists on the internet OR in real life. But thanks for responding."
Kate--who are you? Meaning not personally, but why are you so hell bent on posting here for hours and hours and so many posts? Truly curious. I haven't read here long enough to understand that. And you don't know me and I'm far from blind. I make my own decisions based on what I have had happen to me, so your statement doesn't apply to me at ALL>
Actually, for me personally, it IS about getting insurance for everyone. I am able to keep my older child on my family insurance now for several more years. For that, I'm thankful! I'm not an Obama fan, but that one decision of his saved me thousands of dollars (because I PAY for my own health care and would have had to pay a separate plan for my child until circumstances of his changed and he has the option of his own).
"Same with Snort. Did they have the means to pay all of their bills but still chose bankruptcy?"
One could say had Snort not made the choice to start taking pills, she would still have a job and therefore have the means to pay her bills.
Why couldn't Snort get another job to support her family and pay the bills instead of filing bankruptcy?
Your interpretation of "JenM" is interesting, for lack of a better word. I've never gotten any of that from her. Lives lballs-to-the-wall and enjoys life at full speed? Two phrases I would never use to describe her. But i guess I believe her when she describes herself as controlling and difficult.
She seems so needy and so reliant on the approval and adoration of her internet crowd. And that's without even considering her marriage issues and financial issues of the last 6-7 months.
If one believes that addiction is a disease, then one wouldn't say it was Snort's choice.
Have you thought about leaving this comment on Mwop?
Oh wait, we all know what would happen if you did!
So my apologizing for misunderstanding 8:13's meaning isn't enough for you, Kate? I must be insulted anyway? Interesting.
Anon 9:51, I'm certainly not making excuses for Snort. She did what she did. I read 8:13's comment to mean that the hospital would run out of drugs and people would do without them as a consequence of Snort's theft. I was wrong and I've apologized. As Kate tried to say, I was too hasty with my "snark".
I resent how you try to make this a catch-22 of pathetic.
Well then you must resent a lot of people in the field of human behavior.
If there's a pack there's a leader, right? Who's the leader at MWoP?
I don't know. I'd have to do as you do and read through thousands of comments to see who emerges as the leader. There's probably more than one. I'm sure you could tell me long before I could tell you. My question to you is are you denying there is a pack mentality there?
Ok, here's where I won't go on reading your drivel.
Of course you will.
You don't understand hypocrisy. That's fine. But don't go anywhere and try to be all lecturing. You don't have the tools.
By tools you mean intelligence? What am I not understanding about the hypocrisy of behaving in some of the same ways as those you're criticizing? Please do explain this to me.
Nobody is upset with jenny or Snort having problems.
Then why have their problems been some of the main topics of conversation here?
People might get testy when the likes of jenny or Snort join/create forces to monitor, harass and ultimately stop one single person not so different from the jenny or Snort themselves.
Testy? Jennyftb and Snort have been the focus of this blog for days and days. I'd say it was a bit more than "testy". Aside from that, I'm not defending either of them. My intent was to point out that bullying here is no different than bullying there. If you don't agree, then by all means say so. Perhaps you could do that without your beloved hyperbole and insults, though.
Nobody wants me to reply to Karen in a polite way.
Really? Do you really think people here enjoy it when you barge into a polite conversation and start slinging around the insults? Do you think everyone here believes you to be the authority on all things? Hmm, are you the pack leader here, Kate?
Anon 10:37,
So I guess, why aren't they judging Snort the same way they do Jennifer?
Because they're friends. Most of us make allowances for our friends. Most of us make even more for our families. Double standard? Absolutely. There's no justifying it, there's no defending it. It's just the way most people are.
Kate,
I don't know where you think I was talking about hidden conditions. My point is plain as day. I've said it a couple times now. I'll repeat it for you: people here are judging Snort, for example. How do we know the people doing the judging aren't guilty of the same or worse? The anonymity here means we can't know. Snort using her real name means we can look things up about her and know for certain what she's done. Do you see the difference or do I need to go on and on?
Your 'but' is meaningless though. Bad enough that you don't see it, but trust me, not having joined/created a website just to 'do to her' is better. Unlike what Snort did to JM.
Bad enough that I don't see what? You didn't create a blog with the intent to attack other people? No, you didn't. You're using Lauren's blog to do it.
Worse is though, you haven't given the chronology any thought.
Any thought past "they started it so I'm justified in doing it, too" is unnecessary for the purposes of what we were talking about.
Wait, wait, wait. Who said we had the whole story? Who you're talkin' to? Seriously?
You, of course. Everyone is always talking only to you, Kate. You wouldn't have it any other way, would you?
As an example, Jennyftb tried to defend herself. You kept repeating that you had "facts". How can you have facts about a situation that you weren't a part of? Because you copied her words? You didn't have "facts", you had Jenny's memories as told to her friends in an informal setting. As I said, you still don't have the whole story because you weren't there. It's (yet another) simple point.
Well the up to age 26 thing is different than taxing everyone for having coverage. I am not against covering someone until age 26, even though, I pray my kids are well on their own before that age. Considering I was married and on my own by 21, I hope my kids aren't hanging around my house at 26 except to visit. My issue is how he thinks anyone who can't afford it now is going to be able to in the future, and if not pay a tax which they too can't afford. There are many states going against expanding coverage, and that is going to leave the poor even poorer if they can't get state coverage, which I can see why the states are doing it. Also, Obama lied when he said it was not a tax on the American people. The justices ruled it was just that.
I don't think Kate posts here for hours and hours, but it is her right if so chosen. Are you over at MWOP asking that same question? Believe me they are on there FAR LONGER AND MORE FREQUENT then Kate could dream of being.
Well Karen, at least you can see there is a double standard at MWOP. Also, Jennyftb can make her story appear one way and leave out a lot of truth. So one cannot even believe the person with the story anymore, because there is a lot of embellishment, details left out, etc from those at MWOP. You know how Snort said she was a drug abuser, but however forgot to mention the part about diverting drugs from her patients and stealing drugs from her employer. That makes the story a lot different then I am a drug abuser. Can't believe everything you read even from the story teller.
Anon 5:36...exactly my point. Jealousy is an issue and they would never admit it. They are jealous that JM made cash before and made huge errors in managing that money, and now is yet again making cash while having managed to stay home, take vacations, go to water parks, etc...and they hate it! If not the truth why spend hours comparing what you don't have to what she does, even thou it is always followed by "I pay my bills."
Anon 9:12: I could read your comment two ways. I'll chose to read it like you weren't being rude. I was on my one at 17, never had healthcare until about 25 or so and did fine. This is a completely different day and age, a different price of things a different era of economy and jobs. College no longer is completed by very many at 21, no longer does everyone jump out of college into that big career with excellent benefits. Dream on! And the up to 26 year old doesn't have to live at home (or "hang around my house except to visit" as you so astutely put it). The up to 26 year old can be married and out on their own, just doesn't have insurance offered to them. I would much rather my child be covered by me on my family policy than be a drag on the state coverage system that is already overburdened with people that are WAY older than 26, have multiple children (mine has none), has no college degree (mine has one). I prefer to pay for MY responsibilities instead of having you pay for my responsibilities. JMHO And for the record, some of us (ME) live in very very large homes that can accomodate my adult child for as long as they would like to live here. Some children prefer to live cheaply at home while saving $$ until they can make a good decision of buying something on their own. MUCH better IMHO than buying something and having the bank forclose on it and then it hurts everyone. Another hot spot to me is people living WAY beyond their means and then walking away from it all, declaring bankruptcy and expecting me to respect their lifestyle? No way.
Nope addiction starts with a CHOICE. One has to make the choice to begin in the first place. Still can't argue that the bankruptcies of Snort and Jennyftb are any different then JM. At least JM is not bragging that they walked away from everything.
The notion that hate automatically equals jealousy is a specious statement with no proof to back it up. Some MWOPers might be jealous of JM but that in no way means that all of us are.
It would be nice to stay home and not have to work. Oh wait, I do. Because my husband makes enough for me to do so. The difference is we have to save if we want to splurge because we actually pay our bills and our taxes. I would never want to be in JM's shoes, why would I? She's thousand and thousands in debt, her husband left her, she's facing charges of fraud and perjury, she's screwed over several people and she makes her living preying on the naivete of people who see her as a good Christian living 'above reproach' even though she's been anything but.
Why do I put Snort slightly (and only slightly) above JM? Because she has shown remorse for her actions and seems to have changed her ways. JM has not. Hasn't even come close.
Oh, and here's another reason I'm not jealous of JM. When confronted with the dollar amount of my wedding ring set, my husband would NEVER say "She seemed worth it."
I didn't answer Snort's question on MWOP about what we would want from JM. I'll answer it here. Accountability. Remorse for her actions. And some of you might not see it/believe it, but her actions ARE affecting others. She is gaming the system and you know what happens people game the system? New methods are put in place that actually hinder those who do need help from the system.
J
Jealous? Not at all! My house is bigger than houses of peoples that have been lost to the bank. I have never lost anything, never will. I pay my way and would never dream of stiffing a person I owe money to. Money can't buy happiness. You can buy 30 pairs of shoes and you will STILL have ugly feet. You can buy 100 new shirts and STILL have an ugly heart under it. It's the character that counts, not to Boden, Izod or car. What does piss people off is people who don't respect what they have been given. I have earned every single thing I have in life, I TREAT it like I worked long and hard to acquire it, therefore I am proud and take care of my things. My car isn't filled with trash and bugs, my house is in order and I love my life! I've been on way more vacations than I can count and heading for a fantastic one in a few weeks, paid for by job that I love. Jealous? Never.
You have to be jealous to spend so much time attacking a person that really has no meaning or effect on your life. It makes no sense otherwise. You also have a major chip on your shoulder, major.
BTW, unless inherited, through marriage or the lotto, most people have earned everything they have. And I don't care two whoops what others do with what they have, not my life, not my choices. Live and let live.
Anyone who doesn't understand the serious consequences of having a drug addict working as a nurse is crazy. Period. Addicts, whether "using" while on the job or after, are always under the influence as the drugs build up in their system and actually change the way the brain functions.
For her to continually say that she only used after work is a cop-out and trying to deflect from the serious danger of her actions.
Honestly, she is lucky that she got caught because the drugs she was abusing were so dangerous, they could have killed her.
To say that you think mckmama's behavior is worse than all that, I'm stunned. And that clearly shows how crazy MWOPers are. I guess nothing is worse to MWOPers than being mckmama.
I didn't say I don't think Snort's actions were reprehensible. I did say that she earns a few points in my book by seeming to show some remorse and the fact that she seems to have changed her ways. I really don't care if she changed only because she got caught. Point is, she changed.
When MckMama does the same, I'll feel the same way about MckMama.
Neither are paragons of virtue in my book.
J
You said that snort was "slightly (and only slightly) above" mckmama. That's ridiculous. She easily could have KILLED people. To even insinuate mckmama has done anything close to that is beyond crazy and speaks to all that is wrong with MWOP. There is no filter of reality over there. Hello! Drug addicted nurse!!! And not pot, MAJOR drugs.
Nah, you didn't just apologize. You were way over the top in the first place and then felt the need to add a little snark aimed at me in your 'apology' when you should have just sat yourself down.
So I got annoyed with you. Can you blame me? You felt the need to come back and call me insulting now.
Seems like retaliating isn't any further from your MO than mine.
You said that snort was "slightly (and only slightly) above" mckmama. That's ridiculous. She easily could have KILLED people. To even insinuate mckmama has done anything close to that is beyond crazy and speaks to all that is wrong with MWOP. There is no filter of reality over there. Hello! Drug addicted nurse!!! And not pot, MAJOR drugs.
How nice of you to just glance over the rest of my statement. Or the reply.
J
People makes mistakes. That's what you lot keep going on about JM. People make mistakes. Snorts mistake was HUGE and threatening to those around her, I don't pretend it wasn't. But she has faced consequences and seems to have atoned for that mistake. JM has not. That's the distinction I make between JM and Snort.
And the whole point of that post was not everyone is jealous of JM. Interesting how you keep latching on to the one thing you can, Snort's mistake, as if it characterizes every single member of MWOP. It does not. Stop pretending it does.
J
Anon 9:24,
Thanks for your reply. You're absolutely right that Jennyftb and Snort both embellished and left out things from their stories. I'm not excusing it but it is explainable, given that we (most of us anyway) don't like to make ourselves look bad in front of our peers. We all embellish and/or leave things out when we tell stories, even if it's just a small detail or two. I wouldn't expect Snort to volunteer the details of her diversion of drugs. It's bad enough that she was an addict and had to leave her profession because of it. I'm a little surprised that she even volunteered that much. I constantly shake my head at the amount of information people give up about themselves on the internet. As you said though, you can't believe everything you read even from the story teller, which helps reinforce my point that none of us knows anyone's whole story. We don't know the "facts" of anyone else's life unless we were there to see it.
J,
The notion that hate automatically equals jealousy is a specious statement with no proof to back it up.
I agree with this completely. Having said that, I'd like to ask why you participate at MWoP. Please understand this is not a prelude to an attack on you. I'm actually very interested.
I still say there are many over there that ARE jealous of JM. You may not be one of them but there are many. She doesn't have a life that I want either, but when does she get a fresh start like Snort and JennyFTB got? Snort is vulgar and despicable in the way she speaks on her blog and MWOP. She does seem remorseful at all, and she did something above anything JM did. Nothing JM says or does, to you guys will ever be good enough or show remorse. She will unfortunately always be spending to much money, or doing things with her kids that you think are frivolous (even though she is told she needs to engage with her kids who look very happy), and she has stated she didn't make wise money choices, etc. Just like Snort and JennyFTB stated as well, so when does she get her break? Even if she said how remorseful she is, you guys wouldn't take that, you would still want more. She will always be damned if she does and damned if she doesn't...ALWAYS!!! You guys will always want more from her, and I think if I was her, I wouldn't give to craps about what MWOP thinks and continue to live my life like she is even if in the public.
Bottom line: Snort is or was one the most outspoken bullies on MWOP. Constantly picking apart every post, picture, she spent hours making a spread sheet about Mckmamas finances. Well, now Snort and all of her inconsistencys and lies are being exposed. Karma sucks!
"There's your problem. Short of you being closed minded, rude, only considering your own opinion and calling others names when you don't know them, there's no possible reason for you to say that."
Yeah, I'm rude, no question. Well, I'm blunt.
Where does your 'closed minded' come from? Or the 'only considering my opinion'? Calling somebody blind is name-calling already? And I don't need to know anybody, FFS, in order to establish that they can't see if they don't.
And of course there's a reason for me to say that. This site does not have its sole purpose in sniping at one single mommy blogger. Who is monitored on every possible database. And in case said blogger might have a name change repeat all maiden and middle names ad nauseum to 'optimize search engines'. There's your personal.
People dedicating their time to make Youtube videos mocking JM is ... I have no words. People subscribing to her 'no click' feed in order to see & mock whatever's happening straight away is less mean than this site? I disagree. That's mean.
Sorry, but I'll say it again: Short of you being blind there's no reason for you to say that this site is worse.
"but why are you so hell bent on posting here for hours and hours and so many posts? "
I've been following this circus for some time now and I'm mostly entertained by it. At times, like currently, I make sure I'm here more frequently because when I post stuff that tons of others disagree with, there's an outpour of questions, replies, etc. to me.
And while I dislike most of it I don't want to be a coward who only makes outrageous statements and then can't face the music.
"I make my own decisions based on what I have had happen to me, so your statement doesn't apply to me at ALL>"
Sorry, but nobody has questioned your decision-making abilities. Nor is it necessary for me to know you in order to see that you ... can't see very well.
I have no idea why you would mix the two together. When it comes to your decision making, well, you can't just decide that this site is worse. It's your opinion or something you've decided for yourself. Fine. Don't make absolute statements in that case.
Again, sounds like jealousy 10:01 or you wouldn't care what she does/doesn't have. I would think Snort and JennyFTB also worked for what they have, but they didn't have a problem stiffing their creditors BUT you guys are okay with that. You are disgusted by JM for stiffing people but you aren't by the other MWOPers who have stiffed their creditors, and some because they CHOSE to do drugs or over buy houses...double standard much? Glad you have a great life, and only painted by you because we don't really know if that is your life.
Your right, but pointing out the lies that one told while getting people to buy the story does apply. Kate took what JennyFTB herself said as truth, and provided proof (much from her own words) to the untruths she herself stated. You throw in the public records which is proof and you do know the story. Also, hard for Snort to lie herself out of public documents. Kind of like they say about JM, you put the information out there then it is target. They are the dumb ones for putting their personal information out there, but if you are, you might want to make sure your story aligns. I would never trust any MWOPer with my personal information. I also say the same goes for JM. MWOPers draw conclusions/accusations from very little information available to them. When she goes to the water park, they jump all over her paying x or how she shouldn't be, but do they know why she was there, who paid, etc?
Karen,
At first, I participated because I was absolutely livid that she flaunted her 'above the law' approach. The fact that she COULD pay her bills but, by her own admission, chose not to, angered me. I was glad that others felt the same way and I felt the need to vent about it, so I did. Then it started feeling way too nitpicky. I don't care if one of her kids wore a dress to church that some felt inappropriate, I don't care what she's feeding her kids for breakfast. I just don't. So I scaled back my participation and started posting only in the off topic area. Now, I rarely do that. Because it is a lot of nitpicking. I only care about the facts, so yes, I still read there.
Anon- 11:24. I did state in my post that some of the MWOPers are jealous of JM. I'm not going to try and deny that they aren't. When does JM get a fresh start? When she owns up to her mistakes. When she stops lying about the things she's done. Please don't use the phrase 'you guys' because, again, not all of us who read MWOP are the same. I love the things she does with her kids, I think they're great. I don't care that she sends money for the waterpark. Her kids are having a great summer and I think that's wonderful because when the hammer falls, it's not going to be so great for them. She continues to say, though, she she lives above reproach and that's what irritates me. She claims to be a good, Christian woman but acts like anything but.
Finally, Snort's horrible actions do not invalidate my own feelings about JM. Just because I don't choose to actively engage Snort, either positively or negatively, it does not mean that I don't get to criticize some of the choices JM makes. You can throw Snort's actions around all you want, it's not going to change how I feel about JM.
J
Yes karma does and I don't know how anyone can read her vulgar blog. I laugh when they get on JM for posting a vulgar word (which she usually never spells out), but are okay with her blog. It just shows the kind of person SNORT is and it is not one I would want to be around. If they thing using the f bomb every sentence is good reading or makes her funny, they have serious issues.
Kate,
You really are an interesting person.
True and instead of giving JM credit for spending time with her children, they criticize her for spending the money, etc. I'm right there with you on that kind of thing.
I guess to me it also can set said child up to not have drive to get out on their own. If circumstances were that my children need to live with us, then of course they will, but I hope that they are not (just to note I love my children VERY VERY much, but I also believe in independence). College is not an option at our house it is a must, and you are right most don't get out of college at 21 but most due to age starting not because they are not able. I also believe that if our kids can't find that "great job with benefits" out of college, they will work somewhere not sit around doing nothing like some do (didn't say yours). My husband and I did it and so can our kids. We live in a lazy society and when I hear people say they can't find a job, but I see ads all the time in my newspaper, but they say "I don't want to do x or work in the heat or...". Sorry you will work!!! I am not saying that if it isn't needed and realize there are different circumstances for all situations, but I also know how the system is making people lazier and lazier all the time. Having worked in HR, I don't know how many times I have heard "I will just draw unemployment." Also, many who when asked why they aren't looking for work they say "because my unemployment hasn't ran out." I agree, I don't want people paying for my responsibilities either. However, I again hope my kids are established before 26.
Kate...I just have to say...
You have some serious skill. The ability to take information (factual and/or nonfactual) and spin it in such a way that people will believe what you want them to believe is a rare skill and has been a treat to watch. If you don't have a career working with one of the major news networks, you should...because what you've been able to accomplish here is exactly what the major news networks do every day!
I'm not so gullible as some of the folks here...and I see right through your tactics (eg the whole swingset gate where you specifically chose the higher msrp price despite the poster in question stating they were getting it from somewhere else much cheaper) but I do commend you for how you have managed to swing the majority of readers here to your side.
Again, Kate, if you don't already work for a major news network...you should. Your talents would be put to good use there!
Oh and why is it necessary for people to pump up what they have "very very large home." Brag much! I don't care if I lived in a shack or a VERY VERY large home, if my child NEEDED to live with me they could. Size of home really has nothing to do with this argument. I just don't enable my kids because they know I am here if they need me, but independent is best!
”Well then you must resent a lot of people in the field of human behavior."
I do.
”If there's a pack there's a leader, right? Who's the leader at MWoP?”
”I don't know.”
Well, you were talking as if that was a fact by saying ”the pack mentality of sites like MWoP and more recently, this blog”
So you don’t even know if there is one? You’re just sure about it because that’s always as it is? Or why?
”I'd have to do as you do and read through thousands of comments”
Meh. How do you know what I do? I’m not the one generalizing the juice out of something and then use the pit I’m left with as my premise.
”There's probably more than one.”
You’re now saying you know sites like MWoP and BWoP have pack leaders, even though you don’t know them. And probably there’s more than one leader per pack. Ok. So you’re really saying you can’t back up your metaphor at all but used it anyway?
”I'm sure you could tell me long before I could tell you.”
Now where does that security in knowledge come from?
”My question to you is are you denying there is a pack mentality there?”
Oops, sorry. Didn’t realize that ”It's a self-esteem thing and goes a long way in explaining the pack mentality of sites like MWoP and more recently, this blog.” was a question.
But if it now is… I don’t know. I’d be going for herd rather than pack.I rarely ever go for animal metaphors because I consider them demeaning. Now that I think about it the only way they’re a pack is if JM is their leader. Ok, I’m starting to like where this is going. Carry on.
”Of course you will.”
Now you lost me again. No, I didn’t and I won’t.
”By tools you mean intelligence?”
No, by tools I mean arguing abilities.
”What am I not understanding about the hypocrisy of behaving in some of the same ways as those you're criticizing? Please do explain this to me.“
There’s a softball.
Nobody on this site has to be free of bankruptcies, living off the public, etc. in order to point out the hypocrisy of a site solely established to keep one single person accountable.
We can be doing all of the bad things they’re trying to … prevent? Improve? heck, I don’t know what they’re really doing.
Because it’s only hypocritical if what you’re trying to point out (let’s go with that) you’re doing yourself.
And as long as we’re pointing out hypocrisy & bullying, we have nothing else to be accountable for (in order to not be a hypocrite or bully).
”Then why have their [Snort’s & jennyfromtheblock’s] problems been some of the main topics of conversation here?”
Again, because they’re hypocrites. They come out as: I had my screw-up, so now I’m preventing yours. How is that not obvious?
”Testy? Jennyftb and Snort have been the focus of this blog for days and days. I'd say it was a bit more than "testy".“
Yeah, well. They came out swinging once exposed. Each in their own disgusting way.
If jenny’d just accepted the fair initial description of herself she’d never become endless fodder. She decided to fight it (for whatever inexplicable reason) and then it became a discussion.
If Snort had just accepted that people might find out about the full scale of her f@ck up and be open & not vile about it maybe there’d been grounds for pitying her. As it is, that bully is the worst of MWoP right now.
”My intent was to point out that bullying here is no different than bullying there.”
Yeah, I got that. It’s kinda why I said you don’t bring the tools. Nobody here is fricking bullying anybody. Get back to me when I contact any of those pathetic hypocrites in RL.
”If you don't agree, then by all means say so. Perhaps you could do that without your beloved hyperbole and insults, though.”
I did. And I always do. Now one could say that turning ‘happen to like’ into beloved might be hyperbole. You’re sure I’m the one overusing it? Who am I insulting who didn’t ask for it? You sure did. Right at the very first comment I saw from you. I’m blunt, so sue me.You consider that an insult, get a therapist. If you lash out you better be padded yourself, lady.
”Do you really think people here enjoy it when you barge into a polite conversation and start slinging around the insults?”
Really? You think that’s what I’m always doing? Just because people replied to you politely doesn’t mean you were polite to begin with. You started out with ‘pack leading’ and went downhill from there. I did not barge into any conversation, I replied to your own words. (Boy, do you ever not have the tools.)
My comment was meant in the sense of: I’m being polite is I have to go more ring around the rosies instead of being blunt. More words. And look what happened.
”Do you think everyone here believes you to be the authority on all things? Hmm, are you the pack leader here, Kate?“
You’re still the only one talking about packs and leaders. You realize that, right? And no, I don’t think anybody here believes me to be the authority on anything.
"The chronology? So it is about "they did it first, they do it worse, so I'm justified"? That's weak."
Of course that'd be weak. Chronology meant that the current absolution that has been bestowed upon Snort for coming clean should not cover her abysmal behavior towards JM back when nobody knew about it.
Snort didn't divulge her dirty secrets right off the bat. While she was raving about JM's open ones. Boggles my mind...
Just because Kate backs things up with the persons own words and Kate also tells it like it is doesn't mean she is doing anything wrong.
Unlike others you know Snort and JFTB who only tell half of the real story, now that is what I would call being ready to work for a major news network! Well maybe not major for them more like TMZ.
Oh, I'm not trying to insult Kate! Her debate skill is amazing!
I'm not that naive though...and I see exactly how she took factual information and spun it the way she wanted it to be seen!
The media does it all the time!
Sorry, anon 10.01. Not really buying it. If you're so perfectly content, why so you remotely care about what she has or how she got it? I'm sure your house is nice and big, yadda yadda. So what? Shes not competing with you.
Why cares out what Jen does? She's no more your problem than you are hers.
Kate,
Let me just say that you're an exhausting person to try to have a conversation with. You aren't debating, you're arguing. You're defensive right off the bat even when nothing has been directed at you. You don't even seem to know which side you're on (you seem upset that I said MWoP has a pack mentality). You intentionally misunderstand the simplest things. You take things out of context. You insult people. You're always right. You're superior in every way. The list goes on and on.
If I were to continue to engage you, I'd end up sitting here re-explaining every last thing I've said and you would still never concede a thing. I've seen your brand of troll before. Things stop being about the subject at hand and become about you. You demand all the attention and apparently, on this blog at least, you usually get it. Unfortunately for you, I don't intend to give you anymore attention than this comment.
I came her to give my opinion as an observer. I stated that clearly. I did not come here to have idiotic exchanges like the following:
You:Ok, here's where I won't go on reading your drivel.
Me:Of course you will.
You:Now you lost me again. No, I didn’t and I won’t.
Seriously? If you didn't continue to read my "drivel" then how do you know what I said? It's beyond idiotic and nothing but a waste of time.
To those of you who do know how to have them, thanks for the polite conversations. And one last piece of advice - if you ignore her long enough, she will go away. They always do.
”I don't know where you think I was talking about hidden conditions.”
Simple:
Anon11:24 said s/he was justified by Snort’s logic to now judge Snort. You took a dig at anon 11:24 by saying ”Good thing you're anonymous, unlike Snort who […]at least used her own name on her blog.”
”I'll repeat it for you: people here are judging Snort, for example. How do we know the people doing the judging aren't guilty of the same or worse?”
Also a repeat: It doesn’t fricking matter. We are judging that Snort is a proven hypocrite who has no business judging and harassing JM.
”The anonymity here means we can't know.”
We don’t have to.
”Snort using her real name means we can look things up about her and know for certain what she's done. Do you see the difference or do I need to go on and on?”
Again, chronology. That she has come clean in some ways in May does not absolve her of being a (hidden identity) gargantuan hypocrite for 6 months. And now that she has come clean it still leaves the question why she’s such a hypocrite and everybody’s defending her for it?
”I don't see where it's any better or worse than what's being done to her here."”
”Bad enough that you don't see it”
”Bad enough that I don't see what? You didn't create a blog with the intent to attack other people? No, you didn't. You're using Lauren's blog to do it. “
Lady, I am not using Lauren’s blog in the same way that MWoP operates. Even if you discount the hypocrisy I’m calling out here (which you obviously do) I have in no way
- Intruded into somebody’s real life
- Monitored and mocked somebody’s every internet movement
- Called to arms others to do any of the above
Seriously, just because you can’t see differences it doesn’t mean you can talk about identical.
”Any thought past "they started it so I'm justified in doing it, too" is unnecessary for the purposes of what we were talking about.”
Yeah, trust you to jump to that conclusion.
Again, the chronology you’re all neglecting here is that – even if Snort is now fully exposed – she wasn’t when she STARTED causing problems for somebody else who had wreaked less havoc than Snort.
”Wait, wait, wait. Who said we had the whole story? Who you're talkin' to? Seriously?
You, of course. Everyone is always talking only to you, Kate. You wouldn't have it any other way, would you?“
You’re pathetic.
”As an example, Jennyftb tried to defend herself. You kept repeating that you had "facts". How can you have facts about a situation that you weren't a part of?”
Her words were her facts. I had those. And those words that she can’t take back are the facts.
”Because you copied her words? You didn't have "facts", you had Jenny's memories as told to her friends in an informal setting.”
Oh please.
Having her ‘memories’ recounting how she’s ‘not knocking public assistance, being on WIC herself’, next moment telling me ‘we’ve never accepted public assistance before’ [the food stamps]. When then being called out on the WIC quote telling me ‘I just didn’t consider WIC public assistance’ is something that changes importance if told to friends or to me?
And if you want to call me out for unfairly calling out jenny, kindly go back all the way. If you’ve read all the exchanges and still wish to complain to me, I’ll be here to answer you.
”As I said, you still don't have the whole story because you weren't there. It's (yet another) simple point.“
But I never claimed to have her full story. I call her out as having no business of judging JM when her own words lead people to believe that she’s no better. Either she’s been lying all along (because being among friends does that to her - according to you) or her own words are pretty condemning.
There are many, many reasons people read certain blogs. Some read because they were duped out of $$ (sent money for things such as bracelets and they didn't get them). Some read because they were lied to (taxes are FULLY paid, etc). Some read because they were milked for prayers and no such tragedies existed. Some read to see if karma really IS a bitch. Some read because they are truly curious how someone can get away with things. Some read because they cannot believe children are pimped out on blogs for $$. Some read just to keep up with the facts. Some read because they were IRL friends. These are all JMHO. I'll let you figure out why I read from the list. Curious as to the next thing that happens? Yes. Jealous? hahahaha NO way. We'll see how jealous I feel in a couple of weeks from the Bahamas. LOL
Do you think Snort uses the F word around her kids as often as she uses it on her blog?
Who cares?
The F word is nothing. The C word is all over her blog, along with really gross phrases, and no one talks like that. The F word is mundane compared to what's over there.
Karen, could you imagine being married to somebody like Kate? Or being friends with somebody like that?
Where every single thing you say turns into a debate/argument?
"Honey, I love you" becomes some kind of discourse on the true meaning of love and hypocrisy full of italics and quotes from eons ago.
Oy!
Kate, did it occur to you that perhaps JFTB was referencing specifically "food stamps" in the context of the discussion...and not WIC?
Because that's how I read it.
Now, if Jenny had said, "we've never accepted any public assistance" than I'd crucify her too. But given the context of your discussion, I assumed she was referring to food stamps...and her follow up comment of, "I just didn't consider WIC public assistance" kind of confirms that.
It's all in how you read it, Kate. You..through your hate for JFTB, chose to see it as a lie.
Someone is pathetic but I don't think it's Karen. And of course you'll be here to answer- you're predictable that way. :)
It is obvious from the snort blog that all of the excuses MWOP uses to justify their obsessive harassment of JM are phony. Their goal is simply to laugh at someone, make fun of someone, and that's it. JM is simply their target of the moment, the flavor of the month.
Again kate is saying they did it first. Sounds lime a real grown up argument doesn't it?
I'm glad you know you're rude. Self awareness is a start.
I think both kate and chuckles think kate is the authority on everything. Otherwise most of us can see that kate's a know it all bully.
Oy is right.
Who is the crazy over there that has a bacon bra as their user picture. Pretty much says it all, blech.
Your lack of knowledge on addiction is astounding but not surprising.
I think the bacon bra is on freejinger
Read her blog! IMHO I would consider someone who spoke that way vile.
Well....Chuckles is kind of like that adorable little sidekick, kwim?
She desperately tries to keep up with Kate's debating skills...but she doesn't even come close.
I mean...if you can't even follow the logic of JFTB's husband has a job but is out right now with a broken leg --> he's on medical leave --> he's not working....than you don't have any business trying to hold an intelligent debate conversation.
There is NO excuse or defense to a nurse stealing narcotics...get help! It only takes one error to kill someone when they trust you to take care of them, and not high or stealing their drugs. Sorry, I don't see where there is ANY excuse or defense for such behavior.
I wish some would get over not getting there stupid rubber bracelet. For goodness sakes it is a rubber bracelet that probably wouldn't have been worn, but ended up in the junk drawer, under the couch or in the trash. Also, I am pretty sure when all of that was going on that someone else was handling the mailing of those bracelets. Just something stupid to get there panties (for those who wear them) in a wad over.
I know many with addiction from eating to alcohol, but I still feel like they make a choice. It is my opinion and I think they are usually very selfish, at least some of the ones I know. Outside of the addiction for Snort, they both walked away, "stiffed" their creditors and they both bragged about their fresh starts (something JM has not done) so they are different then JM how?
She didn't spin anything. She used the highest price and there was no proof that JennyFTB would have bought it cheaper except her saying it. Kate used the price on the website which is not a lie or unfactual, it was the MSRP. What is not a fact is how much Jenny would have ACTUALLY paid. Your beating the MSRP thing to death. It was a fact the manufacturer had it priced at that.
Anon 5:30: So if you went through the McDonalds Drive through, ordered a Big Mac, paid $3.00 at the first window and then the next window didn't give it to you, you'd think that was fine? Interesting. In my world, when you order something, you get what you were promised. JMHO
Ahhhh, but don't you see, Anon 5:39? That's EXACTLY what makes Kate a fantastic potential media spin doctor!
Kate is justified in saying, "I didn't lie about the price of the swing." She didn't lie about the price of the swing, did she?
But...she also witheld pertinent information about the swing and the poster in question's intentions. It's impossible that she didn't know about the poster's comment regarding the price at Home Depot...the comments were right next to each other. If you saw one, you saw the other, I know because I looked.
It was a masterful spin because...how can anybody argue against her? She did tell the truth about the msrp of the set...she just witheld information that would have negated her original argument that JFTB was lying about her intentions with her tax return. She even stated that she specifically chose the msrp. For whatever reason she chose it...it still indicates that she was aware that the set is sold for much lower than the msrp.
And THEN...when she was called out on it, she masterfully spun it again and pointed out that JFTB had mentioned using her tax return to buy big thingS. Classic! Except, JFTB wasn't exactly claiming she was going to be buying multiple big thingS this year, was she?
Given that we now know that JFTB was planning on spending 3k on the set, not over 5k as Kate had stated...it certainly sheds a different light on Kate's original argument that JFTB was lying about using the bulk of her tax return on preparing their budgeting categories (or whatever that was she was talking about).
Honest, I'm not criticizing Kate...I am genuinely impressed with her ability to spin information and guide people into agreeing with her opinions and even calling her opinions FACT!
She would make a great news anchor for Fox News...or CNN...or MSNBC...whatever her political flavor might be.
You are correct .
Not sure Kate *is* a grown up.
Wow...I was just directing you to see for yourself. I did say it was an opinion. It is also an opinion that you are nasty as well!
Of course JM hasn't bragged about a fresh start- she acts as though she's entitled to fresh starts. You din't lose 3 houses and at least 2 vehicled in 5 years otherwise.
Also, it looks like JM won't be given a fresh start a la bankruptcy. Oops!
Shocking. People swear on the internet. Has someone notified the media?
Probably when she gives JM the same grace. Until then she is no better then the person she attacks all the time. I also have read her blog once because I couldn't take much more as she was vile. Oh it is fair to judge her when she sits judging someone else on the public web. I would think she would give more grace and would be forgiving of someone who has done wrong, such as she has and worse at that, but I guess double standard is the standard. When she had admitted wrongdoing (as JM has admitted when it comes to managing money) and seems to want grace given to her, but not to afford that to someone in the same place. I am puzzled by your attitude as well.
Mmmmm bacon.
I believe that is a little different. My problem with it is Jennifer didn't handle the mailing of the bracelets, from my knowledge and receiving one. Since it was a fundraiser (a little different then a drive thru), I guess I would give a donation and wouldn't care if I received the dumb bracelet or not. Kind of like when I make a donation to a fundraiser, I don't care what they spend it on because I gave a gift and gifts should not come with strings attached. I have seen it way to often because we have several young kids in our surrounding area with cancer. Their poor parents have been put thru the ringer because these people give them donations, and then criticize how they spend it...sorry it is a gift they could go on vacation for all I care. I feel the same way with the gift cards, money, etc given to JM. If they were gifted then it shouldn't matter how they were used unless it specifically said on the gift use for xyz. No one made that person give the gift.
Never said she didn't deserve to pay a price for what she did, but none of us, even you know what the outcome of her bankruptcy will be.
You are criticizing Kate, how else should that be taken? Again, JFTB said she was "planning" on spending 3K but there is nothing that proves she wouldn't have paid much higher than that, is there? As we all know there is always additional costs with any kind of project. So yes, I think it is justified to say the MSRP price because that is the most that could have been spent. Hey, Kate sure couldn't be any worse than the CNN anchors, and would probably argue both sides instead of one like they do.
I think the point is it shows Snorts character and immaturity IMHO. I think it is vulgar and dumbs down anything she truly is trying to get across.
Anon...I'm simply praising Kate's debating skills! If you see those qualities (debating skills) in a negative fashion, that's on you, my dear.
Look! She has you convinced, doesn't she? You said that there's nothing to prove that JFTB wouldn't have spent more on that swingset. But that wasn't the point...the point was that JFTB stated where she would be buying the swing set...and the listed price there was 3100k. There's nothing to prove that JFTB would have actually purchased the swing if the price turned out to be higher than that, so mentioning the higher price as a valid price is a moot point.
Remember....the point was that JFTB was a liar because she stated she was using the bulk of her tax return to prepare their budget categories, when actually, she was allegedly using over 5k of that tax return (more than half...thus more than the bulk) on a swing set.
But actually...JFTB was planning on using 3k to buy a swingset and 7k to prepare budget categories. Which is exactly what she stated. Even if they spent 4k, considering the "extras," on the swingset, she would still be using the bulk of her return to prepare her budget categories.
Remember...the whole discussion started when anonwalker asked JFTB what she was doing to prevent bankruptcy and financial issues in the future. Jenny laid out what they had done so far (and kudos to them, overcoming a disability is hard). Kate took what Jenny said and turned it into another Jenny lie by pointing out that Jenny had stated, before her husband's accident, btw, that they were planning on buying an expensive swingset.
I mean...I see right through Kate's presentation of the situation. I realize that Jenny was going to do BOTH with her tax return...and certainly had the funds to do so.
Anyways...back to my original point...I am absolutely NOT criticizing Kate. I truly see her debate skills as something to be admired. If you see those skills as negatives...well, I can't help with that.
Anon 9:14, if those at mwop are on for hours and hours, isn't it their right if so chosen?
I'm not sure why I'm responding as I'm basically done with this site (I don't understand the players, the reason for it, Kate's motivation, Lauren's spot, or much else). But as the mother of a child who was diagnosed with cancer, I understand trauma, hardship, pain, bills and most of all miracles. I would NEVER ever prey upon people's sympathy to give me anything. Not money. Not giftcards. Not single dollars. Nothing. If someone walked up and gifted me something, it would only be because they felt the need to do it without me even ever letting anyone know a need. To boast about gift cards, to beg for hotels to sleep at while my child was in the hospital, to get a massage while my child was in ICU, to snap a single photo of my hurting child, NO freaking way. Ever. Ever. Ever. But that is me. And the rewards for being me have been great. Miracles in health, fruitful jobs, beautiful (yes large LOL) house, bills paid, a great vacation very soon, a job that I love and a family I'm proud of that is intact. Not boasting or bragging, just stating the facts tha I am so proud are mine because I've earned them one hour and one dollar at a time. JMHO Have a great day everyone.
We have Jennifer's own words, where she said they would pay back their debts the old fashioned way. But I can see why you wouldn't take her at her word, given her track record.
I didn't say it wasn't their right. I asked if you were questioning MWOP as well, since they are on A LOT A LOT more than Kate!
I had a brother who had brain cancer at age 12, and died a year later, so I know something about the trauma of it as well. My parents would never have done those things either. However, I do know many in our area that others do fundraisers for and give them the funds raised. Those families are then harassed and condemned on how those funds are spent. Again, gifts should not come with strings. I followed JM when she was in the hospital and all the stays after, and I might be wrong but do not remember her ever asking for money or gift cards, etc. Now if people asked where they could get her a gift card, and she gave suggestions that to me is something different than saying I need money, gift cards, etc. I also do not judge how people act during a traumatic situation because I have seen all ranges, and just because YOU would not have done something does mean someone else shouldn't. I have seen many many people take pictures (not just JM) when their child was going thru treatment, in ICU, heck even at the funeral and posted it so JM is not the minority at all even thou she has gotten the most flack for it. I wonder what you think of those who come right out and ask for help paying for their adoptions which is a chose.
ANON 7:29
It isn't just swearing or a well placed swear word. It is a vulgarity and utter crudeness that is just gross. And it is all over MWOP too. When I saw she was a nurse, I thought, wow, that is not the person I want taking care of me or my family.
No, what "invalidates" your feelings about JM is when you write that snortie pants, as I like to call her, is slightly better than JM. That's a hoot! And proves you are crazy, with a capital K!
can't believe I'm posting here....
Sorry *choice* not *chose*
I'm talking about all the other speculation you MWOPers are making with regards to the outcome. Yes, she did say they would pay them back the old fashioned way, but still speculating on the final outcome. Just as you are assuming she didn't make a rebuttal since it isn't in PACER yet. I can't imagine the hours being spent stalking PACER at the moment. The new funny is the obsession with telling all the companies she sent spam. I wonder how many contact each company that spams them. I get spammed every day but who cares...delete works just fine!
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