Hope everyone is enjoying the holiday season, if you celebrate.
I've really got nothing for you...sorry.
I'm in the Big City enjoying some holiday shopping. I spent half the day in the American Girl Store and I wish I was little again. They sure didn't have all the great things like that store when I was little. LOL
I'm not going to be around much until after the first of the year. I'll check in from time to time, but mostly I'll be wrapping, baking and packing for our trip to visit the family for the holidays.
Comment if you like about whatever..or just spend this time with your family and friends.
Cheers
134 comments:
Since I can't comment over at MWOP, reading the bankrupcy papers made my jaw drop. Who knew.
I've gathered two things from them, they are uninsured medically and they took on too much credit.
I don't know but I feel horrible for JM. Can you imagine being that much in debt and trying to figure out how the hell you are going to pay things?
I don't feel bad for her at all. She deserves all she will get.
I do feel bad for her. My parents filed for bankruptcy years ago. People were so mean , even to we kids! Then others were very kind and understanding and tried to help us through all the meanness, assumptions and lies that flew around ever so fast. I know how my parents also suffered through that. (No one sets out to spend freely so they can declare bankruptcy just for the fun of it.) That is why I do and will feel sorry for her and her family.I realize it is their fault due to spending too freely.
MWOP will never be free from the assumptions and lies on their site. It's simply not possible because no one on that site is close to her in real life and no one has a completely accurate picture of her life or of anyone's life, for that matter.
Anne
Anne,
Completely agree. Why, if JM is so terrible haven't people in her "real life" come forward. I think she lived and spent according to her blog income ( bad move on her part) especially in her popularity days, and when she had her income yanked due to blogher dropping her, is when the financial trouble started. That is what I don't agree with. MWOP put a stop to her income by constantly hounding blogher and then they cry "I hope the kids are taken care of"? Are u kidding me! They are the ones who won't allow JM to earn an income. Photography classses - yeah they discredit JM, Ads - they complain. They are all a bunch of hypocrites and it is their fault JM is filing bankruptcy.
It isn't anyones fault besides Jennifer and her husband. Seriously, how can it be anyones fault but theirs? No one forced them to spend the money and to not pay their bills. Yes, it is sad when anyone has to file, but $700,000? Bullshit.
Well, I don't feel even a little sorry for her. Not even a drop. I just went to MWOP and read all that and I'm so damn disgusted, I can't express how much. I'm not typically one for people on MWOP making calls and such about her, but I hope someone there realizes there are ways of getting info to the bankruptcy court, as well as to other people. The state or district attorney's office might well be interested in the fact there's fraud occurring, for example. And the bankruptcy judge is certainly able to receive information. In fact, a simple call to their county clerk's office up there with a request for contact info pertaining to possible fraud in a bankruptcy case will yield contact info. Also, a posting on their local craigslist with their names and a link to MWOP for information should pull up fairly high in search terms on Google, although someone might want to double check the legalities of that. I tend to believe it would be legal, however. I have zero patience for this kind of trash, and oooooh, boy, is she ever a monstrously hypocritical Christian. Ugh. I'm all colors of pissed off now.
Anon 4:56 I don't like mwop because of the digging of info but I have to said you sound like Barbara that is so obsess with Jennifer and Mwop that can't see the difference between right or wrong. Mwop has nothing to do with the financial woes of Miss Jennifer. She has the control of what is posted in her own blog, she plagiarized that made her lose blogher ads, she went on a gay bashing spree she lose the other ad company, Her husband have a DV record they were a liability to CI.She has the blessing of having a blog with a lot of followers she is in control of what she post, she doesn't have to tell have truths she could make a nice living blogging about the life of a mother with 5 children. This have nothing to do with her living the life of a millionaire with a beer budget.
It's MWOP's fault she had to declare bankruptcy? So they must have gone and spent her money on frivolous nonsense, racked up 6,000 dollars in Target credit card debt, bought expensive vehicles only to be repoed later, bought a dog and HAD to pay for extended boarding and training,stolen her bills so they would not get paid, and made the incredible poor choice to walk away from 3 (THREE!) homes. I can't stand MWOP, but to blame anyone but Jennifer and Israel McKinney for this is ridiculous. You are giving them entirely too much credit, they are a blog full of whiny nobodies.
EnuffzEnuff
Actually, she had $12,000.00 in Target credit card debt.
"racked up 6,000 dollars in Target credit card debt"
I think that was $12,000, wasn't it? How does a person even *do that? It's Target, for the love of God. Her kids sure don't seem to wear many clothes from Target and I don't see that much Target merchandise in their home...some bedding, maybe some lamps. I'm at a loss to even comprehend that.
And 4:13, people who dump their bills on the shoulders of innocent others, which is what bankruptcy does, deserve to catch a ration of shit from people for it. What? Do you think that debt just disappears and the world moves on with no one else affected? Why in the hell should anyone else have to pay for anything your parents did beyond their means?
"MWOP put a stop to her income by constantly hounding blogher"
Bull. Shit. If that was true, they'd be hounding BlogHer about every blogger on there. The hounded BlogHer because she broke the rules, plain and simple. And it was her choice to break those rules. She chose her path.
And for those who still want to defend JM, how do you defend her sponsoring kids in Africa while taking money away from people here? How do you defend her upcoming trip to Africa? Her cost of RVing this past summer? The boarding school for the dog? The expensive nail polish, even?
Holy shit it was 12,000? How the he'll is that even possible?
Enuffzenuff
Lisa don't worry I think Barbara sorry Anon 4:56 is the only person that think the McKinney's are not responsible for this debt.
R.U., sadly, I bet she's not alone in feeling that way.People are amazingly adept at justifying the piss-poor behavior of others when it hits too close to home for themselves.
Mckinney also excluded her entire Mckmama.com and MyCharmingKids.net blog addresses from the filing where her entire income derived from. And it looks like she sold off shit and went on a country wide medical splurge before filing. Not good for her when the trustee gets wind.
Hiding income (being paid under the table, etc.)and selling off assets to hold onto the proceeds can get you into some hot water with the Feds.
There's a guy named Youngman who worked for Israel Mckinney's company that tanked. It was going strong when he worked there. Mckinney never paid him the $50K for the work he did for Mckinney's company. Youngman just brought suit against him. The Mckinney's have listed it as part of their bankruptcy.
A freaking employee. Can you even imagine the type of scum that screws an employee out of $50K? And then he bought and sold an RV. But before that, he bought another half million dollar home. And went RVing across the country. And went to Africa.
Who does this kind of shit to people? They even had a $1.92 cent bill they didn't bother paying. Really?
I think they deserve to live in a $550 per month shithole and pay rent to a farmer to just to keep a roof over their heads. And if it weren't for those innocent kids, I'd expect them to eat bread and water until they could pay the $700K back.
And they're still giving money to Compassion? I don't think God wants their money. I think God expects them to pay their damn bills.
Bravo Leslie!
"Why, if JM is so terrible haven't people in her "real life" come forward."
Um, maybe because Jennifer and Israel McKinney are adults?
Also, someone from their real life did come forward - a former employee who was allegedly screwed out of $50,000.
"I think she lived and spent according to her blog income ( bad move on her part) especially in her popularity days, and when she had her income yanked due to blogher dropping her, is when the financial trouble started."
Check the facts, and the dates of their first 2 house foreclosures and the repossession of their Cadillac Escalade - these were all well in advance of BlogHer severing their contract due to Jennifer McKinney's plagiarism.
ForRealz
I have got to say that my jaw literally hit the floor when finding out how much they filed bankruptcy for. Nearly 3/4 a million dollars??? That is just insane!!! Certainly makes me feel a lot better about the debt I have and no way in hell am I planning on putting that debt on to others....would rather pay on it for the rest of my life then do that.
They have NO ONE to blame but themselves. Instead of buying fancy things and trying to be the Jones' they could have been paying bills and employees. I hope that employee got his shit in before the bankruptcy went in and that he gets to be exempt from the bankruptcy.
It just makes me crazy. Spending money like that without being able to pay for it??? OMG
They learned nothing when they lost their first home, or their first car, but apparently they are better then most of us and deserve to have these things so they just kept on doing it.
"I don't know but I feel horrible for JM. Can you imagine being that much in debt and trying to figure out how the hell you are going to pay things?"
Except that she isn't trying to figure out how to pay things. She's filing bankruptcy.
No matter what she keeps writing in her blog comments, she is not going to be repaying all of those debts. There is no figuring it out.
ForRealz
The only thing Jennifer is trying to figure out, is her next hustle. Homegirl is nothing but a hustler!
Yep, the Chapter she's filing for actually makes it impossible to repay those debts. That's a blatant lie on her part. Thankfully, it won't erase that IRS debt, though.
You know, despite how I feel about bankruptcy and foreclosure in general, I'm open-minded enough to say that sometimes, people just make mistakes and it winds up happening. Making mistakes is human. it's still wrong but okay, I get it. But when you make the same mistake more than once, it's no longer a mistake; it's an on-purpose and to make the mistakes they've made more than once means their "on-purpose" is out and out theft, since they knew the outcome.
I won't even get started on having so many kids you can't afford for provide proper care for. I wonder if their families even knows the full extent of all this?
So with looking into Chapter 7 more. Yeah she is a flat out liar. They take your assets and liquidate them to pay off the debts....ummmm yeah except that they have already done a swell job of getting rid of any kind of tangible asset. After that Chapter 7 is completed and the debts are "considered paid off by creditors".
Yeah kind of hard to pay on them when according to the creditors they dont exist anymore.
Woman you racked up pretty damn near a million dollars worth of debt and you are trying to fool people into thinking that you are going to suddenly start paying on them now??? You walked away from 3 houses, you left an employee holding a rubber check for services, we can only imagine the other business debts owed. HOLY CATFISH!!!! With that kind of debt you have NEVER paid a debt owed. You still brag about how you are sponsoring multiple children, taking trips, buying livestock, yada yada yada yet you cant pay your target bill?? On behalf of American's everywhere let me say thank you you have now managed to shift your debts to our pockets and we will get to suffer for your inability to be responsible for anything.
Shannon, well said!
"On behalf of American's everywhere let me say thank you you have now managed to shift your debts to our pockets and we will get to suffer for your inability to be responsible for anything."
Now, where are the few regulars here who defend Mckmama? What do they have to say about all of this? Come out come out wherever you are!
ForRealz
ForRealz....I have certainly had my share of defending her....in the petty shit. You know that stuff: weight, hair, appearance, kids, etc etc...but seriously this is real shit and there is nothing petty about this.
This isnt a DV charge. This isnt begging while never out right asking. This is nearly a million dollars worth of debt that she is walking away from and lying that she is going to still be paying. You cant pay on Chapter 7 debt after it is closed.
"On behalf of American's everywhere let me say thank you you have now managed to shift your debts to our pockets and we will get to suffer for your inability to be responsible for anything."
Exactly, Shannon! I mean, I'll defend her on petty stuff, too, as you mentioned but this? Isn't petty. By *any definition, if you take goods or services that are for sale and do not pay for them, it's theft unless the creditor *voluntarily forgives the debt. She likes her Bible studying so much, so she ought to read up on what it, Jesus and God say about theft instead of digging up verses to try to make herself look better. This goes waaaaay beyond "I'm flawed" and waaaaay into "I'm a thief because I took things and never paid for them".
I guess I put myself in her shoes, which is probably not good because I prefer to pay my bills. I actually stress quite a bit about the bills I'm currently unable to pay. But you are right, it feels by reading her posts that she has no remorse for what she's done.
I think that's what has always been lacking from her. Remorse for her bad behavior.
Anyhow I am a bit disturbed that people from MWOP are going so far as to report her. I understand their anger, but sometimes you just have to detach.
Nah, on this one, Pamala, I'm glad they're reporting her. I'll defend them 100% on that. As citizens, we're *supposed to report crimes and fraud is a crime. And the whole thing is theft on at least a moral level, if a person has morals.
I don't think anyone here is a big defender of JM per se. I myself never cared for her however I did feel bad for her in regards to how MWOP was always nitpicking every single aspect of her life. I never cared for them calling her business associates, making fun of her family & friends etc..... So while I never defended JM, I also never condoned MWOP behaviour. That is a big difference. On this whole bankruptcy disaster, well, she has it coming. I wouldn't personally call or e-mail the trustees but it doesn't affect my life, I'm not from the United States. I do see why others would though, and she is lying on so many different things it's really quite surprising how stupid she thinks everyone is. That probably bugs me the most about this, it's like, "COME ON JEN, DO YOU REALLY THINK NO ONE WOULD FIND OUT"? Her arrogance is amazing to me!
Darcy
Darcy I think the thing that pissed me off the most reading through the papers is that last year her reported income HER INCOME was almost 200,000 but she couldnt pay any of those bills? I just cant believe it and it makes my head hurt.
Shannon,
I know, it makes my head hurt too..... $200000.00 is A LOT ,A LOT of many and she was down right foolish and greedy with it!
Darcy
BTW - I noticed someone using the name "Darcy" on MWOP, it is not to be mistaken with me. I don't comment there!
In addition to the two foreclosures and one they're surrendering per documents in Becker, they've had TWO automobile repossessions that I know about -- this year, Israel had his Dodge Ram repo'd on the day Jennifer went to Nairobi and then the Escalade that they agreed to pay somewhere around $97K when all was said and done (includes financing, etc.). They've also had watercraft repossessed.
They're thiefs plain and simple. Jennifer and Israel Mckinney are modern day thiefs.
Oh, and the best part is this - they have no health insurance (except for Medicaid for their children), no life insurance and no savings whatsoever for their children.
Great parents they are.
Even if legally they COULD pay on those debts after the debt was discharged, they wouldn't. If they couldn't afford to do so while earning $174,000 per year, they're certainly not going to do it earning Israel's $9.50 per hour.
Pamala,
Among other things, it is the bankruptcy trustee's job to find fraud where it exists and then pursue every legal avenue available to the court to prosecute, but only after discharging the case.
As an American citizen it is my duty to report that fraud if I see it.
She's a despicable human, period. This isn't a case of falling on hard times and being a victim of unforeseen circumstances like many stories you hear about. This is a case of entitlement and, as others have said, being thieves.
She better dust off that Jesus card in a big way 'cause she's going to need it.
FL
If Jennifer chose not to pay back $1.92, she's not going to be paying anybody back.
FL I totally agree with you. This had nothing to do with her husband having a bad year in his business...they havent paid taxes, either of them, in years. It is all about entitlement because she BRAGS about all this stuff she has and that she buys and it is never simple necessity things it is always bigger and better.
God, she disgusts me! If I ran into her in real life, I would probably clock her right upside her head.
I knew a girl like her in real life. Her and her husband bought a HUD house, using money her brother lent them for the down payment. Then they would spend like rock stars, and never could pay their bills. These people bought an electric water heater because they knew every winter their gas would be shut off! They filed bankruptcy in their early 20's, and started the bullshit cycle all over again. They then refinanced their house, took out the max they could, spent like mad yet never paid bills or taxes.
The final straw was when she had someone "break into" her house and then filed a huge claim with her house insurance. She tried claiming her wedding bands were stolen as well, and I knew they were not, so I contacted her insurance company and told them so. They told her to stop with the claims or they would be seeing her in court.
Shortly after, they did the same thing Mcmama did. They walked away from their house, with now 2 mortgages on it. Just decided they couldn't handle the $1,300 dollar a month payment, being that neither of them made more than $10 bucks an hour.
It is OUR job as Americans to report fraud. Most of us are hard working honest people that get the shaft because we have to pay higher taxes, insurance rates etc... for the assholes who think they don't have to pay a thing, because they are OWED it just for being alive.
The only problem here, is most of us don't know MckMama. She may be lying out her ass about everything. I tend to think that the trustee will google her and find all the info.
I feel sorry for her honestly, just as I would feel sorry for the 1000's of others who have declared bankruptcy in the last week. I don't think of her any different than the millions of people who have declared bankruptcy...why would anyone?
I agree with Pamala, the majority of the people out there don't know her and are only guessing at what happened or didn't happen.
I could consider feeling sorry for her but legal papers do not lie.
People I know that have filed bankruptcy actually had things happen TO them that left them stuck in a position where they felt they had no other choice. One person I know discovered during his divorce that his estranged wife put his name on credit cards that he did not even know existed. Thousands of dollars in debt and he had nothing to even show for it but because they were married and she didnt work, the debt became his. Then about a year after the divorce he ended up in the hospital, his employer didnt offer health care. It became more then he could ever hope to afford. He cut everything out that could be considered frivolous but was still unable to keep up with what had to be paid.
The difference with JM is that she has been out spending spending spending. Bigger and better has been her motto up until just a very short time ago. She feels no qualms about dropping a couple grand on camera lenses. She had no qualms in spending hundreds of dollars on goats.
I dont know her but honestly when I look and see over $30,000 for two years in unpaid income taxes alone, yeah it doesnt sit so well. When she did that interview talking about how she makes "a lot a lot of money" and then we see that even with a 6 figure income her debts were not her problem....yeah there is no sympathy there.
"I feel sorry for her honestly, just as I would feel sorry for the 1000's of others who have declared bankruptcy in the last week. I don't think of her any different than the millions of people who have declared bankruptcy...why would anyone?"
I don't feel sorry for most people who do so, actually. In most cases, it's preventable. People just don't want to make the sacrifices and lifestyle changes preventing it requires. Now, I'll grant that there *are exceptions to that, but they are few and far between, imo. And JM most certainly isn't an exception in any way. I still maintain she's nothing but a thief.
I'm not guessing about these things, these are facts:
In 8 years of marriage, they have foreclosed on at least 2 homes, had at least 2 cars repossessed, and have filed for bankruptcy asking for over $700,000 in debt to be discharged (including a third house).
These are not guesses, these are facts.
Anon 8:35- You asked why would anyone think of her differently? For many reasons that have been gone over ad nauseum, but mainly this reason: THREE houses (that we know of), each one bigger and better than the last, have been purchased by the McKinneys, and THREE houses have been left in the dust. In eight years.
So you know what? I'm going to call a spade a spade. Or in this case, I'm going to call these two what they are- LOSERS.
ForRealz
Why are parents considered awful if they have no life insurance or savings for their kids? My parents never had those things for us and they did a great job of raising us. We haven't had that for our kids.....partly due to that fact that we had many, many medical bills (even with health insurance) with several of our kids. Our sons are paying for college themselves and are doing well. My oldest son actually told me that since he's paying for it himself, he tries much harder then many others whose parents are paying for it.
I still feel sorry for Jennifer and her family. They made huge mistakes and are now reaping the consequences. People say she shows no remorse. No matter what she does or says, people will never think she does enough. As a 17 yr old, I remember people asking my dad why he doesn't go crazy with his businesses failing and declaring bankruptcy due to his mistakes and how can he appear in public. He replied "How on earth would that help my family? They've been hurt enough. I need to go forward and do what I can." Again, most, if not all the people yelling and screaming about Jennifer do not know her in person and are guessing at what really happened or didn't happen. They only see a small part of the picture. Been there, done that!!! Wanna know why friends and family do not come forward....because they would not be believed, no matter what they say or do!
Why aren't people up in arms over Al Sharpton? I just read several articles about how he owes $359,000 personal taxes for 2009. His business also owes $1.5 million in taxes. Yet he continues on as usual. Jennifer and her family are just a very tiny part of the massive amount of people owing taxes and not paying them. Does that make it right for them?? No, not at all!!
I sincerely hope Isreal and Jennifer have learned from their mistakes. I also hope they can make a decent living because they do have 5 kids depending on them. I'm glad to see Jennifer offering photography classes and still blogging. You may not agree with what she is doing yet, at least, she is trying to bring in some income.
Anne
^I should have also added that the people who asked my dad those questions, admitted that he was right in his answer. It would have only made the situation much, much worse if he went crazy or didn't appear in public anymore.
Anne
If I saw even an inkling of remorse, or one shred of her taking responsibility, I would give her credit. But up until a month or so ago, she was still trying to claim that they didn't live above their means, just right AT their means.
Obviously, that's a lie. That makes her a liar.
Anne, did your dad ever lie about the cause of his money troubles?
As far as Al Sharpton, or anyone else who has the means to pay taxes but does not - I AM up in arms about them. I just don't understand why some people seem to think we should be up in arms about Al Sharpton, yet give Jennifer McKinney a free pass. Is it because her kids are cute?
ForRealz
"They made huge mistakes and are now reaping the consequences."
We are ALL reaping the consequences for their huge mistakes.
ForRealz
"We are ALL reaping the consequences for their huge mistakes."
We are all reaping the consequences for many, many, many mistakes of so many more people then just jennifer & Isreal. Why do we feel the need to bash, bash, bash them?????????????? You will NEVER get me to see the need to just simply bash someone.
I don't think my dad lied about it. He was easy to take advantage of and still is. That is why my son who is in college fulltime, now manages my dad's business and has pulled it out from some more financial problems. IfJennifer lied, that goes with her. She will pay for it. I do not need to make sure she pays for it. God will take care of that. He doesn't see a lie as any different then bashing someone.
People also protested long and loud about some things my parents had. What they didn't know and when they did know it, it made them mad that people had the nerve to give my parents quailty stuff. How dare you help someone who made mistakes!!! Oh what horror! I was so glad and still am, for the people that had compassion and encourged us, knowing that my parents had made many mistakes.
I'm not saying to give her a free pass. I didn't and don't expect anyone to give me a free pass when I make mistakes. I cannot find it in my heart, though, to bash and flail at people who have made huge mistakes because when I have done that in the past, I have discovered that, at some point in life, it comes around and can bite you quite quickly in the butt!!!Anne
Lisa, what did she steal?
And you know what? I'm not perfect so I'm not going to be judging someone else's financial matters let alone anything and everything else that is judged about JM.
I hope everyone likes their view from their ivory tower.
Who is giving Jennifer a free pass? I'm not, but I'm also not being a hypocrite when thousands of others are in the exact same spot yet don't have a blog dedicated to nitpicking the big and the small details to death.
I feel for anyone and everyone who goes through or has been through this situation, it sucks.
Anne,
Did your parents keep making the same mistakes OVER & OVER again? In such a small amount of time?
THAT is the problem, JM not learning from her mistakes..... or I should say not caring.
Everyone screws up, that's not the issue, and I think that is the point you're missing. Case in point - when they lost their first home, the next should have been a modest affordable home, not half a million dollar home. This is just one of many, many selfish desicions they have made to get them to this point.
Darcy
"Why are parents considered awful if they have no life insurance or savings for their kids?"
I will agree with this...kids don't need life insurance policies on them. Parents do, though. Parents need to make sure their kids are provided for if anything happens to one or both of them. I, personally, feel it's irresponsible *not to have such, unless you're sure your kids won't suffer financially in such a loss. Life insurance on a kid, though? No point, really, and I sold insurance for years. It's sort of scam, in a way. Savings for a kid is a nice thing...when they go to college, it can make the difference between them having to work while attending school or not, in many cases, and can actually help pay for college without saddling your kids with student loans and such. But does it make a parent bad to not having savings for their kids? I don't think so.
"People say she shows no remorse. No matter what she does or says, people will never think she does enough."
with all due respect, when someone takes on two more charity kids, announces another trip to Africa, buys lunch out, pays for outside entertainment (swimming and such), all the while declaring bankruptcy? They have no remorse. Remorseful people don't do things like that.
"I sincerely hope Isreal and Jennifer have learned from their mistakes."
And I'll say again, Anne, that one time is a mistake. More than one and it's on purpose, proving nothing was learned.
Yea, I do feel sorry for her as well. Take her latest attempt at making money to support her family, if she was paid. It's a pretty basic article about parenting and trusting your instinct. So what do the junior high girls do? They swamp the site with negative comments that have nothing to do with the article as far as I can see. Then turn around and talk about it on mwop.
I wouldn't be surprised if people have started calling where IM works.
Really? I understand what some see as possible fraud and/or breaking the law, but harassment on the internet? That is a perfect example of bullying behavior.
"Lisa, what did she steal?"
For goodness' sake, any time you take goods from someone who is *selling them, or partake of services someone is offering, then don't pay that person or business *and don't return the goods, it's theft. I mean, really, you don't grasp that?
"And you know what? I'm not perfect so I'm not going to be judging someone else's financial matters let alone anything and everything else that is judged about JM. I hope everyone likes their view from their ivory tower."
No one here is claiming to be perfect *or live in ivory towers. Just the opposite, some of us would love to be living in ivory towers but, instead, live in old, beat up homes because we live within our means and are paying our own way *and part of hers. I have every right in this world to judge something that costs me money, whether you like it or not.
"Really? I understand what some see as possible fraud and/or breaking the law, but harassment on the internet? That is a perfect example of bullying behavior."
I agree...I don't like that they went to that site with all those comments, either. What happened there is a far cry from alerting the bankruptcy officials to fraud, as should have been done, imo.
This happens though anytime big has happened with her. It's sort of disturbing how they go on the attack.
I know she's lied, I know she has stolen. What I was talking about is the assumption that anyone knows how much she actually has made monetarily.
Just because she says so, or sends an email saying this is how much it costs, doesn't mean it actually is true. I think she's exaggerated her income quite a bit to make it seem like they weren't struggling.
"I cannot find it in my heart, though, to bash and flail at people who have made huge mistakes because when I have done that in the past, I have discovered that, at some point in life, it comes around and can bite you quite quickly in the butt!!!"
But what is your definition of bashing? We're discussing a self-proclaimed public figure. You brought up Al Sharpton - were you bashing him?
ForRealz
^I don't have time to answer all the questions right now. I will quickly say this. I didn't bash Al Sharpton. What goes on at MWOP is called bashing...the "I hate her. She is evil,", leaving nasty comments and deliberately sabotaging her ability to earn some money is wrong! Once again, talking and writing very nasty is just as wrong as Jennifer lying.
Anne
Anne,
Criticism of the McKinney's bankruptcy is not a criticism of anyone else's bankruptcy, and certainly not your father's.
Jennifer McKinney is a special case. As Lisa stated so perfectly "one time is a mistake. More than one and it's on purpose, proving nothing was learned."
If you choose to believe that she just made some mistakes but she's really sorry about it and won't do it again, that's your choice. I choose to see things differently, and I choose to discuss it here. That doesn't make me a bad person.
ForRealz
^I stand by what I said. Trashing someone is not right. It is possible to discuss facts without trashing people. I really try to practice this in real life not just on the 'net. Also, I do not know what you have said about her without going back and looking through the comments.
I did not say she just made some mistakes. She made huge mistakes and she's paying dearly for it. I do not know if she is sorry for it. That remains to be seen over the coming years. I've giving her the benefit of the doubt.
Apparently I've the only one who has made mistakes, some more then once. Yes, sometimes I didn't learn the first time around.
Anne
"For goodness' sake, any time you take goods from someone who is *selling them, or partake of services someone is offering, then don't pay that person or business *and don't return the goods, it's theft. I mean, really, you don't grasp that?"
Well yes, I do grasp that and I also grasp that you didn't answer the question but turned around and attempted to insult me. Wow, I thought I wasn't on mwop, guess I am!
"Just the opposite, some of us would love to be living in ivory towers but, instead, live in old, beat up homes because we live within our means and are paying our own way *and part of hers. I have every right in this world to judge something that costs me money, whether you like it or not."
Yea, you are looking down from that ivory tower. I'm paying the way through my taxes for a heck of a lot of people that I wouldn't begin to judge.
What we are discussing her and what MWOP is doing are not the same things at all. They keep talking about how she needs to support her family...well why is it every time she or Izzy do something to bring in income to support their family they are all over it like flies on shit? They are not justified in trying to thwart her every move. Are the two of them supposed to both go get full time minimum wage jobs out of the home and then have to figure out daycare??? Sorry but daycare costs would negate any income they made.
Al Sharpton in my opinion should have been flogged publicly a long ass time ago and it has nothing to do with his financial status. He is a piece of crap in so many ways and should be flushed like any other piece of crap.
I really dont get how what they have been done is considered a "mistake". If one of my kids busts out a window in the house goofing around one time it can be considered a mistake but if they keep doing it over and over and over again they are doing it on purpose and dont care about what they are doing.
Isnt the definition I see often of crazy something like if you keep doing the same thing and getting the same results there is something wrong with you mentally.
If you cannot afford a home with a mortgage of say $1500 per month what makes you think you can afford a mortgage of say $5000? I am not saying that is what they were paying just a guess.
If you cant afford to pay your taxes they how can you afford to go to a different country or go on an extended road trip?
If you cant afford a bill for $10 how can you justify buying a camera lens for over $1000?
This isnt just stuff that has happened this year some of this is from over a 3 year period. If you are struggling financially then you cut back, you quit spending money like it is free, you dont keep going out and buying and spending more.
I have a problem with people who do this kind of crap. She just happens to be someone who is in our range. She hasnt tried to fix this situation, we know this because she has talked about how they have bought and spent.
There is HUGE difference between someone who had shit happen in their life that literally pulled the rug out of them and they try to fix the issues by making serious changes in their lifestyle. She is the kind who has made it quite obvious that she has not chosen to make changes. While they were supposed to be in their counseling phase she was buying goats, camera lenses, performing home improvements, buying appliances, etc etc. Even while she had all of this looming over them they were still spending money like it was water.
I agree Anne, I make the same mistakes sometimes more than once. Talking trash about someone is not right, totally agree.
Discussing facts about a public figure = talking trash? Interesting.
The Garbage Collector
"Who is giving Jennifer a free pass? I'm not, but I'm also not being a hypocrite when thousands of others are in the exact same spot yet don't have a blog dedicated to nitpicking the big and the small details to death."
I'm going to need some further explanation on this one. How exactly am I a hypocrite for talking about mckmama and her bankruptcy?
*scratching my head*
ForRealz
GC, I wasn't talking about facts, I was talking about trash. You know unkind comments about her looks, body, children, clothing, yada yada yada yada.
Um, where in this thread is anyone talking about her looks, body, children, clothing, yada yada yada? We're discussing her inability to manage her finances, and her issues with telling the truth.
I do have to agree though anytime JM has the opprotunity to actually make money, you know potentially pay back some debt (although part of me thinks she wouldn't), they jump on it and make it impossible.
I mean seriously BlogHer. The plagerism was big for sure. Alerting the author that she had plagerized was appropriate. But bombarding BlogHer with emails to get the ads revoked?
Contacting Compassion, Focus on the Family, ABC, etc. I mean seriously to me it seems the intent of SOME at MWOP is to see JM fall and fall hard, lose everything basically.
And that I can not understand.
I mean seriously to me it seems the intent of SOME at MWOP is to see JM fall and fall hard, lose everything basically.
Exactly this. This whole bs of contacting ABC, etc.. is ridiculous.
whatev
"Apparently I've the only one who has made mistakes, some more then once. Yes, sometimes I didn't learn the first time around."
Then they aren't mistakes anymore, Anne. They're either "on-purposes" or "sheer stupidity". And look, I say that having done the same. Not financially, I tend to learn with one mistake there, but I've certainly done it with *people and so I'll call it what it is. After the first time, knowing I didn't do it again on purpose and eliminating that option, it was just purely stupid of me and no one needs to, or should *have to, pay for my stupidity but me and the same goes for Jennifer. And you...for everyone. How many times do you give someone the benefit of the doubt, though? I mean, you're obviously on #4 with her. At what point will you have had enough, Anne? Also, I take issue to being accused of "trashing" her, if you are including me in that. I have not done so.
"If you cannot afford a home with a mortgage of say $1500 per month what makes you think you can afford a mortgage of say $5000?"
Shannon, what makes it worse is that they *could afford it and, by her own admission, chose to stop paying on it and save the money for a bigger house. That's not a mistake. That's on purpose.
Also, I was just reading on MWOP and I'm understanding a bit more of the frustration there over the ABC thing. It appears that JM and BlogHer are running a huge scam for clicks, using ABC as the avenue to get said clicks. I'll keep reading, but right now, I'm beginning to side with the ones on MWOP who are calling ABC. Now, the nasty comments left about her? Nah, not right. But factual stuff? Yeah, I'm coming around, I admit, to thinking ABC needs to know.
She's not with BlogHer...she's with BlogFrog and she hasn't declared any income from them.
Sorry, and thanks for correcting that typo. That one mattered. :-)
Oh, I dunno...every moment I'm giving to her is a moment I'm not out on the streets, whoring around. Besides, you're here, too. ;-)
Does anyone know which forums this crazy one is referring to visiting and befriending people on? I'd be curious to read those. littleoneapril(dot)blogspot)dot)com
Apparently, a friend of one of Jennifer's friends (who hasn't been wrong on anything yet) has shared that "all the good stuff" the Mckinney's stashed away at various places to hide (so the bankruptcy trustee wouldn't catch wind and sell it off), such as all of her Mudd Lake Furniture, which she's admitted to having a friend hold onto, is just there temporarily. When and IF their bankruptcy is discharged, they're picking up and moving from the rental at the farm and stopping by the various hiding places to get their stash. That was just for show so the courts/trustee would see them as struggling and doing without. That's a federal crime.
I see a goat soap making business in their future. Watch and wait: they'll sell it as a "fresh start" with all the fake humility you could ever dream of.
In other words, the farm was one big show to fool the courts into thinking they had changed their spending ways and were now living at near poverty level. Their intention was only to stay at the rental farmhouse until the bankruptcy was discharged and they got the all clear to pick up the goods and have a clean slate. Same with Israel's $9.50/hr job.
Lisa- this is suppossed to be a BULLIES WITHOUT PITY blog and here you all are taking pot shots at JM. Amy- wow..a friend of a friend...hmmm nothing like a little gossip huh? I hope none of you come upon hard time...oh wait, you already have. No lives except to go to different blogs and destroy people. NICE.
Shame on you Lauren for allowing this to happen. You should change the name of your blog to I LOVE TO BULLY.
"Lisa- this is suppossed to be a BULLIES WITHOUT PITY blog and here you all are taking pot shots at JM."
I'm not taking pot shots at anyone. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else? Just remember, I'm the one with the red sunglasses and binkie. ;-)
Amy, I've wondered if that was what was up, what with all the "all we eat are 'taters and eggs, we're so poor" posts. Time will tell, I suppose, but the last big gossip from someone in the know about the McKinneys splitting up doesn't seem to be too accurate.
My impression from screening here: JM chose the perfect timing in hopes that xmas would have people too busy / forgiving.
On top of everything else.
Lisa,
"Oh, I dunno...every moment I'm giving to her is a moment I'm not out on the streets, whoring around."
I laughed and then I realized I love you. ;)
Renae,
Please pick a number & get in line.
Renae, Kate, y'all are funny and good for my ego...thanks. ;-) Renae, do I happen to know you? Is Renae your middle name? And seeing Kate again reminded me I meant to wave at Batman up there. *waves*
Kate, I suspect you're right about the timing. I know I'm aggravated all over again, though, about her. Snowflake wants an iPhone badly (well, so do I, truth be told) and I've been trying to find a plan/carrier/etc., that I feel like we can afford while still cringing at the cost of the phones. You know, because we live within our means. The final verdict? We can't afford it. Oh, sure, we could *do it, but it's just not a reasonable, responsible thing to do to the budget, so it's not happening. I pay my freaking bills, I don't owe anyone in this world a dime, nor does he. An iPhone is a luxury, imo, so I admit it irks the snot out of me to know so many of us are carrying her burden of debt, or will be, while she's maintaining luxury items we can't afford because, you know, we are responsible people. Anne, if you're still reading, how do you justify *that?
I think Lisa is really Lauren. Just sayin.
Sorry to burst your bubble Anon 4:21, I know both Lisa and Lauren. Two very separate people. Just saying.
Oh really, Anon 5:44??? Seems to me Lisa does all the posting here. Just sayin.
OH.MY.GOD....JENNIFER HAS PUT UP A CHRISTMAS TREE. THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT IS ENDING. HAHAHAHA
Lets see if we can find something wrong with the tree...Go ahead..you first.
Lisa,
No and yes. I'm just a reader and occasionally a commenter here. Now put back on your Tina face and write a new post! Ha! :)
Me? Lauren/Tina? Oh, that's some funny stuff, right there! Let me tell you, if that was the case, we'd have new posts more often! Newp, sorry, I'm just chatty and take it out on y'all. Just scroll right on past me if it bothers you. ;-)
The tree is pretty, but those curtain rods and curtains are about to drive me insane, 6:34. Did that help?
I thought the tree was very pretty, nicely lit. The curtains are uglier than hell though, maybe if they were hemmed a bit it would be better.
enuffzenuff
I like the curtains, although I'm not sure puddling them is great with young children and kittens. It never worked well here, anyway. But the rods are all uneven and and curtains aren't open symmetrically, which makes me nuts. It actually looks like that left window is slightly higher than the others, but heck, just move those rods higher up the wall so they are even and that'll hike those curtains up, too. I'm nosy, too, and want to know what's on the other side of the glass on that far right window. Is it a closed outside shutter? It almost looks like a roman blind, which would make no sense unless there's a room on the other side of that window.
Nevermind, I just figured it out. She took the pictures in the daylight and closed the outside shutters to make the room dark. Or maybe to hide an outside view, since pulling the curtains would have darkened the room, too. You an see a flicker of daylight to the upper right of the middle window.
"I mean seriously BlogHer. The plagerism was big for sure. Alerting the author that she had plagerized was appropriate. But bombarding BlogHer with emails to get the ads revoked? "
I think she SHOULD have lost BlogHer, if I lied or stole at my job I would be fired. Same with Glam Media, if I made gay bashing remarks, I should be fired.
With it being an internet business, it takes the readers to call out the bullshit. Why on Earth should she get paid or continue to work somewhere when the average person would be fired? Why is she so special?She's NOT!
He and IZ need to get real jobby jobs. With health insurance, and a steady income they can count on.
~SSA
"He and IZ need to get real jobby jobs. With health insurance, and a steady income they can count on."
Well right now he has a real jobby job according to them, even according to MWOP. He makes $9.50 per hour, not bad in a state where the minimum wage appears to be $5.25.
She is trying to bring in income when not being thwarted in every effort she puts in by MWOPers who apparently want her kids in daycare 40+ hours a week while she works to lose money paying for the daycare.
If they dont have health insurance...guess the hell what??? A lot of people have jobs right now and dont have health insurance because their employers cant afford to offer it!!
What the hell is it with some people's standards? You are a bad parent if you dont have health insurance, or life insurance, or a college savings account for your kids, or dont buy them their first brand new car at 16....What ever happened to love, food, a roof?
About time he got a jobby job. If he can be a real man and hold down said job, JM could stay home with the kids and no daycare costs would be needed. Since when he tried the stay at home dad thing, JM floundered at providing and they are now filing bankruptcy, maybe he needs to man up now?
"She is trying to bring in income when not being thwarted in every effort.."
No. I don't agree. She is trying to bring in easy money, and being called out for lying, stealing, gay bashing etc. If she wants to make money that way, she needs to play by the rules, just like everyone else who make money blogging. If not, and readers are pissed, it is her fault.
She has a photog business, that no matter how bad the MWOPers have tried, they can't get people to stop getting their pics taken by her. People jump to take her classes and people still put ads on her blog and read the stupid thing. It is NOT like the MWOPers have dried up her gravy train!
As for the insurance, it's one thing if your job doesn't offer it. Stuff like that happens. But when you make $100k + a year and you have no medical insurance and your kids are on state aid, I have a BIG problem with that! Now she can just get her bills wrote off, and guess who pays for that?! Not the nice people at the hospital, that's for sure.
Not having health insurance doesn't make you a bad parent, but having the resources to HAVE it, and not, makes you rather irresponsible. To take trips to Africa, and RV around the states, but not have health coverage, is irresponsible. Priorities!
I never said a thing about life insurance or college savings. I actually think kids should pay their own way because they DO work harder then. I think they should buy their first cars too, I know I had to, and it's a great way to learn responsibility.
As a parent I try to be financially responsible, so I can teach my kids the same. We pay a lot of money for health coverage, but it's nice to know if God forbid something happens we won't have tons and tons of debt afterward. Our health is just as important as food and roof. If we have the means to pay for coverage we do, because it's OUR bill to pay, it's our responsibility, not the tax payers. Especially when JM DOESN'T PAY HER TAXES.
Some people feel pretty damn entitled just because they were born. But you aren't entitled to a damn thing you didn't work hard, sweat and bleed for.
~SSA
Well now with the more drawn out explanation I cant argue with that.
The life insurance and college stuff was more pointed in response to an earlier poster not you sorry should have explained that one.
And yes if you have the means to afford such things on your own there is no excuse. I mean seriously the woman claimed on her bankruptcy paperwork that she made that much money....and paid NOTHING. I still cant get past the amount of debt that they have and that isnt even counting the Becker house. I just really could not imagine having that kind of debt when so much of it was incurred by simply not paying anything.
I know, right?! I would be worried sick all the time if I owed even half of what she does. How does she live with herself? How can she claim to be Christian and yet live so completely opposite of that? She disgusts me so much.
~SSA
In grand total I have less then 1/10th what she has. Most of that is from school. NONE of that is in credit cards, cars, homes, it is all manageable. Manageable and I still sit and worry it to death.
Yep, we are paying $500 a month on my husbands student loans. On top of our rent, car note, insurance, food etc. It's manageable, but things can get tight.And at this rate we still have 2.5 years to pay. We could just not pay the loans off, get under the table jobs and take nice mini-vacations... but we don't, but I can sleep at night knowing I'm not a total douche. I bet she doesn't get much sleep, let alone good sleep with all that on her conscience.
~SSA
Lisa,
"I know I'm aggravated all over again, though, about her."
Yeah, that's the difference.
JM seems to be relieved to have faced the 'shitstorm' & embarrassment of answering fewer questions than she ignores/deletes and now she's moved onto happier times. She got it all out in the open, even declared to the officials that there'd be a significant drop in income. And now she's good to go (again).
Sorry, I have no good advice on your iphone problem. Other than that you're too level-headed to compare yourself to her in that respect.
Shannon,
I so agree with you on this:
"Well right now he has a real jobby job according to them, even according to MWOP. He makes $9.50 per hour, not bad in a state where the minimum wage appears to be $5.25.
She is trying to bring in income when not being thwarted in every effort she puts in by MWOPers who apparently want her kids in daycare 40+ hours a week while she works to lose money paying for the daycare."
And I don't care if it's easy money or if there are 'allegedly' so many people still signing up for her classes. She's bringing in the humble dough right now.
"I think Lisa is really Lauren. Just sayin. "
I'm taking this as a funny. Like
"Charlie Brown is Shell is Shelmo is Violet."
In that case: Nice one.
"Sorry, I have no good advice on your iphone problem. Other than that you're too level-headed to compare yourself to her in that respect."
See, that's it. I could go get 3, suck it up and do it, responsibility be damned. But jeeez, Louise, I've got to think long term here as far as my future and even Snowflake's, to a far lesser degree. With what they'd cost not in the financial picture, I can keep the deductible lower on my homeowner's insurance, for example, and still stay on budget. It just aggravates me to see someone we're going to be paying for running around with top o' the line phones, gym memberships, etc. White bread ghetto-fabulous, I'm telling y'all.
As for health insurance, I admit to lacking some patience about that, too. People are so damn quick to say, "Well, my employer doesn't offer it, so I don't have any." Sometimes, you can get a private policy as cheaply or even cheaper than you can through your employer. Look into major medical policies, where you're covered in the event of a catastrophic illness but have to pay office visits yourself. They're far cheaper than a regular policy. Far more people could afford private plans if they simply made it a priority and bought or rented a cheaper place, forgo vacations and expensive extra-curricular activities for kids, etc. Not saying *everyone could, but so many people who say they can't, *can afford some type of coverage. They simply choose not to.
Just because you have a uterus does not mean you need to fill it with circus clowns.
"It just aggravates me to see someone we're going to be paying for running around with top o' the line phones, gym memberships, etc. White bread ghetto-fabulous, I'm telling y'all."
I get that.
But still, you're comparing yourself to scum right now. Don't.
No matter how aggravating it might be to not find a good plan for iphones this christmas while JM constantly boasts about losing hers. You can't look down when comparing yourself to someone. That's a slippery path into bitter old biddy territory.
Next thing you know you'll be angry about the state budged of giving somebody a fair trial. (Yeah, it's far-fetched, I know.)
"Just because you have a uterus does not mean you need to fill it with circus clowns. "
Who's filling her uterus with circus clowns?
Nevermind, I'll be annoyed by your answer anyway.
'Clowncar' I get and have used it myself. But you said something entirely different.
"Just because you have a uterus does not mean you need to fill it with circus clowns."
Um, no. Those are innocent children who didn't ask to be brought into her 3-ring circus, not circus clowns.
"No matter how aggravating it might be to not find a good plan for iphones this christmas while JM constantly boasts about losing hers. You can't look down when comparing yourself to someone. That's a slippery path into bitter old biddy territory."
You mean I can't be a bitter old biddy like I planned? :-( Seriously, I think I came across sounding differently than I feel. While it aggravates me, yes, in a comparison of her and me, I'll take me any day. Lol, that sounds so arrogant, doesn't it? My life is so much less stressful than hers, though, and my future so much more secure, that I'm content being without a phone or whatever piddly shit like that that I want to keep it this way, you know? And I'd not care that she chose differently, if she wasn't saddling other people with the costs, at least indirectly. That's all I meant. :-)
"Next thing you know you'll be angry about the state budged of giving somebody a fair trial. (Yeah, it's far-fetched, I know.)"
Ha! I can still get pretty worked up over what Casey Anthony cost taxpayers, so that's not a stretch, Kate.
I'm surprised no one on MWOP has called Jen out on posting pics of her "wieght lose" journey. If she is going to start giving out weight loss, eating, and working out advice, I would think they would call her out to start posting "progress pics". She needs to put her money where her mouth is and do some before, during and after pics. So would someone please post at MWOP asking Jen to do so? I don't comment there and I am not going to start. We all know Jen and her Sheeple read there and I think this is a valid point to make... LOL! Thanks!!!
Darcy
I don't think she would anyhow. Mainly because she knows how MWOP will react to her pictures. And frankly I don't blame her. I wouldn't put my photo out there for a bunch of people to critize weekly. I agree that when doing a weightloss journey you probably should but honestly I can see why she wouldn't.
Well, according to FB, ask and you might receive:
MckMama
Pondering the idea and value of posting before and after photos regularly on my blog. I can't decide if I am ready for that or not.
FL
I have had some medical issues in the past which prevent me from purchasing private health insurance or life insurance. My husband's employer thankfully has a great insurance plan and we pay for that. As for life insurance, we essentially had to over insure my husband so my kids would be taken care of in the event anything happened to both of us. I will never be able to purchase private insurance outside of buying into the state insurance pool which provides little actual coverage. It is also likely, with her weight, she would find it difficult to purchase health insurance. I have a friend who recently tried to purchase private insurance and was denied by several companies due to her 50 lbs of excess weight and her son's prior tonsillectomy.
Lou
Lou, if people keep looking and exploring other options, other insurance pools and such, it's pretty amazing what can be found by way of private insurance. One might have to agree to a few exclusions for pre-existing conditions, but most people (not all, I agree) can get coverage of some form, at least enough to avoid financial ruin. I sold insurance for years, so it's out there and, in many cases, affordable but only if it's made a high priority. To most people, and I do feel it's most, it's not a high priority.
If I were JM, I'd not post pictures publicly of her weight loss adventure. Why give some people more fodder? Her private FB would be a good place for that.
Those kids have been treating like nothing more than circus clowns. So yes, I meant circus clowns. They're adorable children. Innocent and all that good stuff. But they've been given a job to do since they flew out of her uterus, clown car, whatever you want to call it. And they've been asked to perform (for the camera, her blog, you name it). They're nothing more than little circus clowns. And when they grow up enough to Google their names, they'll realize this.
I could get private insurance no problem, they just would exclude my back. Whatever. Even though I'm way overweight. My daughter though couldn't. They wouldn't insure her at all. They wanted to exclude her disorder, which makes insurance moot in my opinion. I actually find it quite sad that my child was denied private insurance as well as state insurance.
Pamala, I'm sorry about your daughter having a problem of that extent. I really am. But, in the end, insurance companies are financial institutions and not health care providers, something I know that's hard to remember when it's your own kid being excluded. They have to exclude poor risks, though, just like banks (should) exclude poor risks for loans. It's one of those sad but necessary things that has to be done. Have you tried searching for health pools in your particular state? You can even include her medical condition in a search, too. For example: "health insurance pools in Utah for people with MS"...and sorry if you've done this already, was just hoping to help a bit, perhaps. :-)
I work in insurance, I know how it works. I find it sad though that the right to life, isn't the right to life. It's the right to life if you can pay for it. And well boohoo on you if you can't. It's sad that a for profit institution gets to decide whether a child lives or dies. This supposed great nation, can't even take care of their own children.
But hey, I work my ass off just so my daughter has coverage. But I think no parent should have to go through the worry that I had to go through with mine wondering how the hell I was going to fork out 1500 bucks a month for her medication, her life saving medication, when I didn't even have a job at the time. I mean seriously at a point I had to cut her medication, risk serious injury to her, just so that she didn't die. And that's just fucked up in my opinion.
It's different if I chose to be fat, that makes sense you know, but my daughter sure as hell didn't chose her disorder.
@Pamala, that makes me mad that your daughter can't get coverage. I thought the new rules said that minors couldn't be excluded any more starting in 2011 though. Is that wrong? And that adults can't starting in 2014?
Pamala, it is sad, from a mother's perspective, about your daughter having trouble being covered. I know you understand from a business perspective, working in insurance, why it is so but the mom in you has to be frustrated as hell.
7:12, even if her daughter isn't excluded now, nothing says insurance companies can't raise premiums to cover her and they undoubtedly will. Should, even, from a business perspective. If Pamala struggles with the cost of covering her daughter now, it's only going to get worse with the inclusion.
Merry Christmas to you all.
Yeah I'm bitter. LOL! But yeah it just means that she can't be excluded but no one says they can't jack the prices up.
I'm sorry to hear that Pamala, for you, your daughter and for myself. I have been trying to hang on for 2014 because I am priced out of the insurance market now at over $1400/mo for myself only. Thought I heard the new plan would not allow this.
Anon 7:12 again
I think they might introduce some things like a fair plan where there will be a low cost alternative but it will be bare minimum and crap.
Merry Christmas, Kate! You're quiet out there...you okay?
The plan supposedly coming in 2014 cannot possibly work. It's fiscally impossible, unless taxes are raised *dramatically. And Pamala is right, quality of care will drop noticeably, as well. We're already seeing it happen in the number of doctors and pharmacies no longer accepting Medicaid since Obama did this crap. I have to buy my own, as well, and can only afford it thanks to having a monstrous deductible and having an exclusion so it's not like I'm one of the lucky ones talking out my ass. People ought not get enthused about 2014, imo. If we're really lucky, someone new will get elected and get some of it stopped.
Popping in to wish everyone a very merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah or any other holiday you celebrate right around now! May you all have a peaceful, wonderful one. :-)
Doctors haven't wanted to take Medicaid patients for years. It has nothing to do with Obama. Medicaid has not been reimbursing well for many many years. Payments have not gone down with this administration.
Anyone else seething at the picture NieNie put up today? The ones of the youngest, sitting unsecured in the front seat of their moving SUV, while Mr.Nie talks on his cell phone while driving, have sent me over the edge.
What is their frikking problem?
Rosie
Only a big yawn from this corner. Would've been seething months ago, Rosie, but it's happened SO many times that I'm used to it now. End of month = reckless/controversial pics of kids. Merry Clicksmas, nienie.
I'm embarrassed for her, since she doesn't have the sense to be embarrassed herself.
GSC
Besides the fact that he should be in a proper seat, is it possible that he's secured with the lap belt in the front seat?
Hi, all! Hope everyone who celebrates had a wonderful Christmas!
I went over to check NieNie's pictures out and I have no issues. From what I could see, the kid could well have had black or dark straps on a carseat that simply didn't show against his (her?) coat. I'll add, too, I don't get my butt in a twist over kids riding in the front seat, either, as long as they're secured in. As for the cell phone, it doesn't bother me as long as it's talking and not texting and as long as it's a very brief conversation, as that one could well have been.
"Doctors haven't wanted to take Medicaid patients for years. It has nothing to do with Obama. Medicaid has not been reimbursing well for many many years. Payments have not gone down with this administration."
While it's true that not all doctors have always accepted Medicaid, the rest of your statement is absolutely untrue. I won't even try to sugarcoat it...it's simply untrue.
Rosie:
I think they do what they like and believe they are above all laws. Poor children are not being taken care of and are only a number to their parents. Nienie is worried about the misters sperm being damaged by a laptop but could care less about helmets, seatbelts and lifevests for her minor children. Sure tells what is important in Nienies life. Sperm has more value than the living children. Someone should really turn these people in to the authorities for neglect.
Annie
"Someone should really turn these people in to the authorities for neglect."
Oh, for the love of God, you aren't really serious, are you?
Anne that is seriously messed up. There are thousands of children in actual dangerous homes that DCFS needs to spend their time worrying about, not nienie or even mckmama for that matter.
EnuffzEnuff
NieNie is messed up in the head. I can't stand her. But I don't think any authorities need to be called on her. I really don't think any authorities would take it seriously anyway.
My neighbor had CPS called on her, by the kids' grandma. This woman's house is vile, she leaves her kids home alone for booty calls (at night while the kids are in bed) and she smokes pot in front of them. But she had food, heat, clothing, running water etc... and cleaned her house when CSP came, they closed the case.
There are much, much worse things going on for the authorities to take care of....
^^ Forgot my name ~SSA
NieNie is a bad mother. I can't stand her or anything she promotes on her blog. Any business that supports NieNie I am not going to support.
A Real Mother
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