You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.
- Winston Churchill
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Due to all the anon comments over the last week, for the time being this blog will require you to have a google account to comment. You can set up a user name and account (like you do with disqus) and can set all settings for private.
Coco just so you know we are pigs even though we are the ones who pretty much had our last straws over the "good Christian women" of MWOP blowing up pictures to see if there were genitals of a, then, 4 year old in a picture.
I really can't believe you are actively searching out n.aked pictures of kids. And then you have the nerve to post the link, as if we want to clink on it? What in the world is wrong with you?
I'm not going to look at pictures of naked kids. My computer would already look bad enough in a forensics search without adding possible child porn into the mix. *twitches*
From the last post: "I usually love reading your comments, but that word - it's just gross. No smiley from me. :("
That's alright. I understand and am not mad at you or anything. :-)
Look, Shelmo, Shell, Violet, JOS and company annoy the crap out of me, but that doesn't mean you should be actively searching out pictures of JOS's kids. I don't care if she's a hypocrite, it's gross, and if you find them while innocently searching, that doesn't mean you have to link the freaking album. That's disgusting and you should be ashamed.
And both sides need to cut it out with the language. Lauren requests all of two things in posting here -- no offensive language and name calling, and sign your freaking name. Calling people "cunts" "retards" "fucktards", whatever, is not only disgusting but also goes against that.
Both sides here are completely out of line. Between the MWOP people, the anti MWOP people, and JM herself, right now I would choose JM.
1. I did not actively search out any pictures. I did a search on JOS's name and her Picasa album came up almost immediately 2. the pic of the child was the cover page of an album, I did not have to "click" anything to see it 3. I did not post a link to said album - I only called out JOS to practice what she preaches 4. I see nothing wrong with any of that, and in fact, believe JM to be fine with the picture she posted. Its all about the hypocrisy of it all.
And finally, JOS, there are still more pics up that others have noted. I did not post links but encourage you to just lock it all down. Changing the name to Gi-Gi does not eliminate the indexing or the cache. And then you should maybe acknowledge your error and then maybe you could gain a bit of credit.
Mindy, I pray that everyone takes your advice. The witch-hunt for JenniferOS is horrible, and if this site wanted a classic example of bullying, there it is.
"reject", own what you did. You searched for her name in the hopes of finding dirt, posted that info here, and led others to where they could find pictures of someone else's naked child. I rarely use this phrase, but it's the only one I can think of that fits right now: shame on you.
For all of those claiming JenniferOS owes Jennifer McKinney an apology: (wrote this already on the last post, oops) Is JenniferOS a blogger who gets thousands of hits to her blog per month? Is she making money from those hits? Or does JenniferOS just happen to have an online album that "rejects" dug up? How are those two things equal? Please enlighten us, if there's more to the story. If not, then JenniferOS is the one who's owed an apology.
pantysnatcher, I don't know what you're talking about, but it made me laugh. :)
Did anybody forgot that Jennifer Mckinney was making $$$$ from that picture, and use Stellan as a freaking girl prop so well that everyone thought it was Maisie.
whoa, you harass JM day and night over the minutia of her life and someone points out you ought to lock down your private pictures and you call that harassment? nice. weird logic, but incredibly insightful.
Some unsolicited advice: you may want to erase the comment on the last post by anonymous (near the end of the comments) that compares JenniferOS and JenniferMck to convicted child sex offender Warren Jeffs. I don't know anything about the law other than what I see on Law & Order reruns, but allowing an anonymous comment like that to stand on your blog might very well open you up to something unpleasant.
It has been a bad week...my BF from grade school lost her SIL so we had another funeral to attend. I'm really tired and sick of death right now so I am going to bed. Life is very short and we all need to remember this!!!!!!!!!
Please no more name calling and links to naked childen. I really am in no mood to deal with silly crap right now.
I'm sorry for another loss, Lauren. I hope there is peace in your life soon.
If you're really in no mood for this silly crap right now, then you should probably close the doors. The bullying that has gone on over the last few days is as bad, if not worse, than the site than spawned this blog in the first place.
Lauren, I'm sorry about another loss...when it rains, it pours, doesn't it? ((hugs))
Bud, In the last post you said "Besides doesn't one of you have a husband they should be taking care of or at least visiting?" Is one of the drama queens husband in jail or in the hospital? I'm afraid I missed this...it is really getting deep, eh?
Wouldn't you love if this site closed down Charlie Brown ;) You are probably one of the people that pushed Lauren into making this blog, so she could finally call you out on her turf! Her rules, and you can't delete her comments or ban her. No this blog is still very much needed, a few of the anons could leave with their raunchy language, but Lauren is the one too make that call.
Lauren I am truly sorry for your losses, I cannot begin to imagine how difficult the last few weeks have been for you. I do need to say that the tone of this blog has changed so much that I am uncomfortable participating anymore. I have seen people's Facebook profiles, names, and now links to their children's pictures thrown all over the place and nothing has been done to stop it. If you do not want to continue with this blog no one would blame you, but to allow it to become a disgusting bully site is reprehensible. Some of the comments are worse than on MWOP, the language and name calling is unbelievable. If you are not wanting to keep the blog then please think about closing it or handing it off to someone else. Paige <---Who will no longer use my google account on here
Tina, I'm so sorry for yet another loss in your life. Perhaps you have someone who could mod this place on a more constant basis until you feel up to being around more? If not, then let what happens happen and people can like it or leave.
Couldn't sleep so I checked to make sure no more problems and I see you guys think I should close down...
NO...I will not close down. This blog is for people to have a safe place to say what they like and not be banned or deleted. I have taken all the ugly comments down and I have removed the names and links to naked children.
This group has done just fine without me having to police it 24/7 until the latest drama. We are all adults here and I shouldn't have to be online all day every single day...I have a life and this blog is not my life!
Someone email me next time you see something and I get my emails on my phone and can delete it quicker....not to mention these last few weeks are not the norm. Hopefully no more funerals in my near future cause I don't think I can take another one right now!
I finally got all caught up on all the drama and I am not sure why Joni's name got put on this blog? I wonder if it wasn't Shell and Violet trying to take the monkey off their backs???
I knew they would not be able to stay away from the drama....they both like the attention they get from people online.
As far as Coco posting the email...well I think she had every right to post it. Coco did nothing wrong in my book since they sent her the email.
Shelmo...or Not Shelmo or whatever you call yourself these days...why come to this blog that you love to hate on so much? What MWOP isn't giving you the attention you desire? Just like people who go to Mckmama's blog and FB who don't like her....WHY come here considering how you feel about me?
The rules still stand....please try to be respectful to others and leave the vile name calling out.
I think these days everyone has to be careful what they put online. Just because you are not a "famous" Mommy blogger, does not mean that someone won't find your pictures. Or your address. These days you can't even get a speeding ticket without the info being made available to the whole www.
I respectfully disagree, Lauren. This blog is not a safe place. It is a place where people spew hate, call people names and post others' personal information. No one expects you to be online 24/7, but the last two days were ugly and unnecessary. Talk about online bullying.
You just added to it as well. Any proof whatsoever that Violet or Shell posted Joni's personal information? No. Why is that different than MWOP saying Jennifer lost the house without proof? No one was even talking about either of them when Joni's information was posted.
You didn't remove names. Katie's name is still there with an outrageous rumor attached to it. Eevee's name is still there even though it's pure speculation.
You and this blog have completely lost focus. I also realize this is a futile comment because you aren't able to admit a mistake. It's a shame since this blog could have done a lot of good as a safe place. It's not safe. Not allowing cursing doesn't make it save. The wild and over the top speculation certainly doesn't make it safe, especially when the moderator/owner speculates right along with the users.
Again, I am truly sorry you are experiencing so much loss right now. Hoping for a more peaceful time for you.
Lauren, I'm sorry to her about another loss. You are in my prayers. I hope you are able to get some rest. (hugs)
Charlie Brown, I agree the last couple days have been ugly. Mostly from Anon's. Of course people are going to speculate as to who is doing it. You ask Lauren what the difference is between this and Mckmama? The blog did not speculate, they posted the post about her losing her house as a fact. No one here has said it's a fact that Shell and her cronies are the anon's. IMHO, it is. Does it make it fact, no. But come on, some of their comments/actions really scream their names. (who else would bring up Joni's name out of nowhere like that?)
Regardless, if you want a fact only no speculation what so ever blog about bullies, why don't you start one? I'm not trying to be snarky, but if you don't like it here, start your own and show us how you think it should be done then.
I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, I will continue to keep you in my prayers and positive thoughts.
I have to agree with the others and as I said on the last monster thread, can we please get back to the stated purpose of this board? Or at the very least stop the name calling, outing and so forth?
Tina sorry to hear about another loss. We are dealing with one very very close to our family right now as well and I can totally understand what you are going through. Distractions are nice though...however all the BS especially yesterday....d.a.m.n.
{{{HUGS}}} Lauren, so sorry to hear about another loss; that really is a lot to deal with.
Last year two of my best friends lost their fathers within 10 days of each other. Both were in their early 80s, but had not been ill at all, so huge shock for all.
Lauren, sorry to hear about your loss. :( Hopefully things will get better soon.
Going back to the topic of Lauren's last post (posting of n@aked kids on blogs), I cannot believe that in Jennifer's latest post, the kids are n@ked again. The first one is questionable- maybe M is wearing a tube top? But later on in the post you can clearly see a completely n@aked older child in the background.
I just can't understand why someone would want to post that. Why not crop that part of the background out?
I just wanted to add- I did NOT go looking for the n@aked pic, nor did I blow it up to see every minute detail. It's painfully obvious upon visiting the blog. I'm not a sicko, I just noticed it and wonder why that doesn't bother Jennifer. -ABC
I REALLY wish people would not jump to conclusions. The second photo is not of a na@ked child, it is an adult wearing white capris and a peach/tan top. Standing next to another adult wearing jeans. Enlarge the photo. The first photo is questionable BUT people are looking for something that is not there in that second photo!
ABC I thought that myself but while I am still questioning because my brain says that is a nekid person in the background....it is too tall to be any of the McK kids.
I take offense to your comment calling anyone who used to or still does post at MWoP "angry" and "trolls". From what I have seen it is my opinion that no one has acted like that here. I believe that your categorizations are not based on actual interactions but on your distaste towards MWoP and it shouldn't be heaped onto someone that has been respectful towards you and this blog.
Not liking what someone has to say or disageeing with them is no need for name calling especially when that person is acting in direct contradiction of what you are stating.
You've made a couple very snarky comments directed at me personally. I don't appreciate it but you can say whatever you want, that's your right, I just don't understand how you can be so rude with no cause for it.
My comment about Shell and Violet was my opinion..I never said it was fact. I just think it was like something they would do.
Last night I looked at this new forum and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't trying to drum up drama to get people over to their forum. It looks pretty dead to me and I believe that many have no plan of getting in bed with either of these ladies.
I also think it is pretty funny that many that received this email invite are saying they have had no personal relationship other than MWOP with Violet. So where did she get the emails from???? Sounds like Leah was not the only one keeping personal data on people!
McKenna I really find it funny how fast you turned from being a supporter of Mckmama to an active MWOP person. Yes, we all have the right to change our opinions but really even with he posts you have made here...I'm confused as to what side of the fence you are on????
The comment about Eevee being a double agent is so funny. Now that will be the best move ever if it turns out to be true!!!!
I did notice someone on MWOP was talking about CPS again and a regular said she knows for a fact CPS was called???? I wonder if this is why the pic is now set to private????
BTW I can't remember who said it and I am lazy and don't feel like going back into the 500 plus comments to find it..but thank you to who ever it was that said they now understand how I felt and why I started this blog. I always knew that the really smart people would one day figure all the bullies out. Sometimes we know something is not right but we ignore it and just go with the flow....standing up and going against the majority is never easy.
When I read the post, I didn't see that. The people I see in the background of the second picture are fully clothes and bare legs and shoulders on a kid can mean anything or nothing.
I haven't gone back through this blog much but from the comments being made it seems you have suffered a loss recently. You have my most sincere condolonces. loss is never easy.
It's simple, I was never on one side or the other. I never straddled the fence. Never had a change of heart.
I used to read JM's blog because a friend did and I liked what I saw. I only ever judged JM with the opinion I formed of her based on what she posted and presented of herself. When I agreed with her I said so, when I disagreed I said so as well.
When I was vocal with my comments on her FB it wasn't in defense of her or to fight her battles for her; I made comments against the nastiness. I never plead her case or argued for her. I liked reading her posts but was really disgusted by the hateful people attacking her so I made a lot of comments encouraging people to say whatever they wanted but in a more respectful manner.
I started reading and posting at MWoP because two members (one future moderator) told me I was a hot topic of convrsation. I figured they were going to talk about me I'd at least let them base it on actual interactions with me isntead of rummors and assumptions.
If you read my posts on MWoP I never proclaimed I no longer supported JM, I didn't need to. If I agreed with something I said so or vice versa.
I came to this blog because a member of the FB group told me comments were being posted with my name signed to them. Those comments were not made by me and contained false information so I said so.
I have been very polite and respectful of the comments made towards me and about me, I ask the same in return.
There is one comment in this thread and one or two in the last thread. To my knowledge Tempi and I have never had a conversation or interacted with each other and I feel that her comments are really rude and not based on anything she knows of me, just assumptions and inferences.
I will stand by my comment in this thread, we had quite a few angry, hateful comments yesterday, people who came here to obviously start trouble, and I am going to assume they are from MWOP. If I am wrong, this I am the ass, but I honestly do not think I'm wrong.
Don't feed the trolls was simply meant to be that, if we don't engage the trolls they get bored and go away.
As far as being Snarky to Mckenna, yes I was. I told/asked you to go back to MWOP because when you came here you brought drama and uncivilized conversation. I think this blog was pretty civilized and we were all respectful to one another, even if we didn't agree, that was up until a few days ago when it seems like the angry birds descended.
If you feel that members of MWoP came here and caused unecessary drama I can respect that but I honestly do not feel that my comments or actions here have done anything of that nature in the slightest. If I am wrong please give me a specific example. If you can't give me an example and are lumping me in with everyone else from MWoP who has left a bad taste in your mouth I'd appreciate you not saying I did something when in fact, I did not.
I have not been rude, called names, made accusations or disrespected anyoen here. I have stated several times that the original comments posted under my name were not from me and that they contained false information. I have also clearly stated a few facts because if something is going to have my name attached to it I would like it to be as correct as possible.
I can appreciate you wanting to keep this venue drama free, it's probably an enjoyable place to interact with people. I came here because someone was already screwing with this venue and getting people stirred up. I posted calmly and respectfully.
Ah, thanks for the explanation. I still think you have/had a preconceived feeling about this blog and that might be affecting your reading of the tone of some messages. Perhaps us reading the tone of yours as well.
To Lauren, and any of the regular commenters here:
I have a couple questions.
If this blog is for the purpose of discussing bullying, do any of you think what happened to JenniferOS yesterday - on THIS site - was bullying? Why or why not?
Several people have said they think the drama was caused by people from mwop, but no one has given a real example of why they think that. (Saying that it seems like something they would do is not a valid example, in my opinion.)
Mckenna has explained several times, very politely, that the first comments attributed to her were not made by her, yet people here continue to say rude things about her. Do you think she's lying about those first comments here, or do you just dislike her because of her association with mwop?
I'm really trying to understand how people are deciding who is and isn't a bully. Because it seems to me that when it's someone you like who's being nasty, they get a pass or have a valid reason. But when it's someone you don't like, they're labeled a bully and trash-talked and subjected to speculation about their true character and motives.
I understand if that happens, because it's human nature. (For example- When your sister cheats on her husband, it's because he's a bad guy. But when the girl you don't get along with at work cheats on her husband, it's because she's a trollop.)
I'm asking these questions in all sincerity, and would love some answers from anyone who cares to do so.
That's a good way of looking at things. I won't say your wrong because I'm sure when I feel I'm being unjustly being judged or blamed I get defensive but I had never heard of this site outside of it's initials and didn't know what was discussed here until it was pointed out to me.
I didn't stir any drama or incite any nitpicking and trash talking. Someone else did and signed my name to it, I'm not taing the blame for that.
I'll do my best to be respectful if people who speak to me can do the same.
Has it occurred to you that the very people who alerted you to the fact your name was mentioned on this blog may have been the same people who used your name in the first place to incite things?
You arrived here very quickly after your "clone" was here to stand up for yourself so you must have been in contact with these people on that facebook group or through mwop.
I have to say personally you mystify me. When you posted on Jennifer's blog you seemed erratic and inflammatory in your comments. Then you appeared on mwop and seemed sane, respectful and articulate. I admit at that time I didn't even believe you were the same person.
I absolutely believe that what happened yesterday in regards to JOS was in fact bullying.
I think that a whole lot of what happened yesterday was in fact nothing more then bullying and I cant say for certain that it was a fact that those posters came from MWOP but considering the influx of ANON posters...that would be my hunch.
There were a lot a lot of comments made predominantly by anon posters that were over the line and over the top. Why do you think I began referring to them as nobody and nothing? If I have something ugly to say I say it, I use my name, it can be linked right back to me. However when people, including yourself in that one, dont actually READ what was said then it doesnt do much good LOL
Generally speaking this place is pretty darn respectful and doesnt go over the line with the language that was happening yesterday. That is why I do not believe that it was regular posters from here that did all that nonsense.
You made some good pints. This place has been respectful until a "incident" between 2 people happened at MWOP. That's when things took a drastic change for the worse here! I think it is safe to say they (anon commenters) came from MWOP. Not saying they're current Mwopers, cause they did "step back", but everything of that whole mess 2 days ago stems from there. They've burned a lot, a lot of bridges and therefor need to start their own "sooper Sekrit edition" group. Really? Where else is there for them to go! I hope they lock themselves down tight over there, and never let anyone in, or OUT for that matter :) LOL.....
XYZ, I think if you post here with your IRL information that you set yourself up to be “Google searched”. The title of the post was “Naked Pictures of Children On The Web”, so I thought pointing out that a poster had very similar photos out in the open was not so much bullying per say. I think Rhymes with Rejects pointed it out and, JenniferOS took notice and pulled it down. In the time it took to pull it down a couple of posters were jabbing her, which maybe, could be considered bullying. I respect the way she handled it. 1) By protecting the pictures or taking them down and 2) Acknowledging she did not purposely make them public and 3) Admitting she was ashamed she had allowed them to be so easily assessable. I personally did not see the photos, but it does not sound like they were too bad or for craps sake someone would have called CPS on her. I would like to call CPS on some of the posters for being so freaked out and paranoid about everything. I cannot imagine how some of their children are being raised.
The way everyone is going on about the Sumo picture and the pictures today makes the people who are discussing it look a little over the top. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but come on people to claim there are naked people in the background of the new photos is just absurd. Now describing L’s ankle as a “Chub” is a bit off in my book. Maybe I have a potty mind, but that African bracelet was nowhere near a “Chub” and that my friends is bait.
So many people have either defected or been banned from the blog and or forum that I believe that this may be the new gathering place. When the super secret group was exposed to those who were excluded, there was frenzy of who’s who searching going on and I think that sparked the outings. I am sure there is more to come and what better place to expose bullies than on a blog titled “Bullies Without Pity”. GAME ON ~Karen~
Even seemingly innocuous comments and questions made over and over asking for clarification from others, yet never listening to the answers, is a form of bullying.
Passive aggressive needling bulllying.
And yes there was lots of that on here the last couple of days. And some of the people stated they were from mwop or at least were readers of mwop.
As to JOS, she inserted herself into the middle of everything, saying some nasty things to others on here.
Is it right when people respond in kind?
No, but human nature makes some people retreat and some people to attack back. The fact IS that she attacked others yet left her back door open ,so to speak, opening herself up to more controversy about her own life.
For all anyone knows the people attacking JOS on here were formerly her "friends" from mwop.
What I don't understand is why people like yourself and Charlie Brown don't use a consistent user name from site to site?
If you are so above all this nastiness then why not prove it by showing that you speak the same words here and at mwop.
Or are you both more afraid of the backlash and BULLYING you would get from the mwop "inner circle" if you showed you have your own opinions and posted on this website?
If the answer to the last question is yes, then perhaps that's why you found your way here--- to the safe place that Lauren created?
Karen I will agree that the way that the original posters who pointed out the pics JOS had on her site were right in bringing that to her attention. However the ones who decided it was a good idea to post links...not so much.
The "Chub" thing really threw me off this morning because I have never heard a baby's ankles referred to like that before. Chubbies sure chunks but chub not so much.
As for the banned/defected gathering here now...I cant speak for everyone but I started reading here before I was D.O.N.E with MWOP. Mainly I was on both sites for a while and when I was realizing that I was getting pissier and pissier with those on MWOP for the crap behavior I was essentially done.
I will agree with you a lot on the CPS issue. I mean really I think that there are a lot better reasons to be using their time other then pictures that show no bits, even if they should be removed and are inappropriate.
I just now randomly clicked on some past posts here and looked at some of the comments. Some were respectful or simply chatty, some were nasty and disrespectful, or random, and many, MANY of them had no names attached anywhere. I don't know if that constitutes a track record of respect.
The anonymous comments could have been someone from mwop, or someone from here not using their name, or really from anywhere. I keep hearing about the awful mwop people, and some of them are awful, and some of them aren't. But didn't most of the people here come from mwop originally? If so, isn't everyone awful?
Coco, I think the original fake Mckenna comments are gone. But I was thinking she didn't come over here right away, it was a day or two later. Maybe someone else remembers, or Mckenna can answer that. Again, it could be someone from mwop who did it, or it could be someone who is anti-mwop. Only the person who wrote the comments really knows for sure. To speculate about it, based on nothing, leads nowhere.
Karen, I agree about why people don't post here with IRL info - me included - because who wants to have some random person like "rejects" leading people to your personal online photo albums? Your assessment of what "rejects" did makes it sound like "rejects" was simply doing JenniferOS a favor, and it didn't read that way to me. As for the "chub" that doesn't seem odd to me - I hear people with chubby babies talk about baby chub. I can understand, though, why people are on high alert about Mckmama's words AND photos, because she has given people lots of reasons to. I think it says more about Mckmama than about anyone else.
I totally agree that not all that have been on MWOP are awful people. In the course of the last year however you can see a downfall of the kinds that are posting there. Sometimes I do wonder if those people are in fact the same poster just posting under different names.
As for the prior postings I do think that the level from what has been seen before as to what was seen the last few days isnt even really comparable. Honestly whoever those posters were who were just full of ugly, I dont care where they were from or who they were.
The way Mckmama words everything just sounds perverted. Her kids have "chubs" and she "hunks" up her food? I think girlfriend needs to invest in some batteries.... or something?
"Even seemingly innocuous comments and questions made over and over asking for clarification from others, yet never listening to the answers, is a form of bullying.
Passive aggressive needling bulllying."
I asked you questions about why you were here instead of just leaving mwop, but I was asking because I really wanted to know. I still don't get it, but that's okay. You can do what you want.
I wouldn't call this a "safe place" at all. That is why I don't use my real name. What happened to JenniferOS yesterday is a great example of why.
As I told you yesterday, I don't comment on mwop. I did, long ago, with a different moderator. I quit commenting over there for several reasons. So no, I'm not afraid of any backlash at mwop. What I found really interesting each time I went back to mwop, no matter who the moderator was or what was being talked about, there were still people claiming mwop had no credibility, or was losing it's credibility, and that the moderator was a terrible person. When mwop1 was there, she routinely had people saying horrible things to and about her. Now, everyone talks about the good old days of mwop1. Funny how that works, isn't it? It's all so hypocritical.
And humans, ALL of us, are hypocritical. Me included. What really bothers me is how some people spend alot of time pointing out everyone else's hypocrisy and contradictions, but will never admit their own. That's what has me so amazed about this site.
I have come to appreciate Lauren and this site in some regards, but in others not so much. I don't think you can "out" people that you don't like, and continue to insult them again and again, and include them in speculation with no apparent cause, but call yourself anti-bullying. I have negative opinions about some of the former mwop mods, but they're not mods on any mwop-related site that I know of, so I don't assume that they're at the root of every disagreement that happens on mwop or here.
Also, xyx, I didn't say the anon were current MWOPers, I should of specified & not lumped everyone into one group.
I know I have no "facts" as to who the anon comments were from. However, their track record & timing of everything seems too coincidental. So yes, I think it was the *previous* mods from MWOP as well as a few of their shellple thrown in for back up. I haven't seen any of the crew comment there since this all happened either. Now that I've said that I'm sure they'll pop up :)
Dear xyz, Goto urbandictionary.com and type in "Chub" for the other meanings. Kudo's, the other meanings were not a trigger to you. It speaks volumes about you and again I will go get my mind out of the toilet. ~Karen~
I know what a "chub" is, I don't need to look it up in the urban dictionary.
When I hear a mother of a chubby baby talk about chub, especially when in reference to a photo of said baby's very chubby leg, I think baby rolls, not hard-ons. It does say something about me that I didn't instantly "go there" but I think it says something positive, not negative.
Do I think other people have reason to be skeptical of her word choices? Absolutely.
That's a very good question. I was a member of the FB group at the time and someone , I honestly forget at this point) that I was a) a topic of conversation which in their sarcastic opinion meant I had "really made it" and b) allegedly posting comments here. It struck me as odd even then that someone so actively involved with MWoP was reading at a 'competeing' blog but it didn't bother me too much, that was their issue, not mine. I really hadn't ever considered that the person who posted here with my name was the same person who told me about it.
I didn't post my first authentic comment until the day after the poser posted on Sunday. LIke I said, I just wanted to make sure that if I was involved in something it was actually coming from me.
As far as my commenting style, thank you. I'll take it as a compliment since my goal is to be respectful and articulate. And I'll own when I'm erratic, we all have our moments and I have more than my fair share of them. I guess I can say that I am honestly listening to the comments made to me AND taking a bit of my own advice when I shout at people to be kind.
"As to JOS, she inserted herself into the middle of everything, saying some nasty things to others on here.
Is it right when people respond in kind?
No, but human nature makes some people retreat and some people to attack back. The fact IS that she attacked others yet left her back door open ,so to speak, opening herself up to more controversy about her own life."
So I went back and read the series of comments regarding JenniferOS. She didn't start with nasty comments, just the opposite. She posted an explanation about there being 2 groups, and that the email you posted was not in reference to the FB page that she was involved with. The only thing that I saw on her comment that could be taken as rude was the last sentence, where she said "bully on."
People responded, some rude, some not. She again explained, and again and again. The comments to and about her got increasilngly nasty. She then said this was all "re***ed" and it continued to go downhill from there.
I disagree that she came here in attack mode and that people were responding to her as a defense. People were vehemently against her from the start, seemingly because she was from mwop.
If you disagree, I ask you to go back and read through the comments again - if you can stomach it - and tell me if you still believe she made the first strike.
For the record, I don't know JenniferOS. I was just so stunned by what happened to her yesterday on a site proclaiming to be anti-bullying, and I can't believe other people don't think it was totally out of line.
Can I just say I bet that Coco hugging Tina up there firmly cemented her black sheep status in the MWOP world? It was super cute and sweet, though!
"If this blog is for the purpose of discussing bullying, do any of you think what happened to JenniferOS yesterday - on THIS site - was bullying? Why or why not?"
Yes and no. Sure, by the definitions used on this site, but not by any regulars that I saw...just by an onslaught of new people (from who knows where). Regulars disagreed with her, called her out on things she said, but I saw no bullying by regulars. But, in my opinion, if a grown-ass adult is bullied or feels bullied online, it's on them. We all have the choice to put our real info out there, or, alternately, to maintain complete privacy. No one chooses that for us. Most of us, and most definitely Jennifer included, are of normal intelligence and capable of making logical decisions based on actions and reactions. Lastly, we all have the ability to click off, walk away and effectively leave the so-called bullies behind. We are in a far, far different set of circumstances than kids at school and, frankly, if we feel bullied online, we really only have ourselves to blame. Now, threats physical of violence online *may be a different story, but that didn't happen. I ask myself, would I feel bullied, had I been Jennifer yesterday? The answer is a resounding no. Annoyed, probably, but not bullied.
When will people learn? The internet is not some big photo album or diary. It's full of strangers. If you wouldn't post a picture of your naked kids, your phone number, job information etc.. in your local grocery store, don't do it online!
Just a note in response to Tempi- I apologize for jumping to conclusions but I did not click to blow up the photo in question. One reason I didn't is because it has been mentioned here (among other places) that people who blow up pictures looking for naked parts are sickos. Now, I'm definitely NOT calling anyone here a sicko,so please don't take it that way at all. I'm just making the point that if the person in the background was, in fact naked, then wouldn't blowing it up to check make me just as bad as those women that blew up the photo of the kids with their pants falling down? They were looking to see if their boy bits were exposed in the picture.
I'm saying it seems like it's damned if you do, damned if you don't (please pardon the expression). If you DON'T blow it up to check, you're jumping to conclusions but if you DO blow it up to check, you're a sicko?
I think I'd rather jump to conclusions. But I'm glad that someone corrected me and now I don't feel so icky about it.
Renae no nerve just I am not putting up with any BS.
Move on down the road and go try to start drama some other place. Hey Shell and Violet have a new place and I'm sure they would love to have a new member on board...
Tina, sort of off-topic, maybe, but I just heard that Szuszanna posted the notorious-to-some-of-us Dr. Phil video on her blog. Sure enough, she did. Lord knows how she got ahold of that (I did not do it!!) but what are your thoughts about this?
Bear with me as I try to answer all your questions, I had a number of calls to make this afternoon so stepped away from the computer.
Re: Passive aggressive needling bullying
I think there was a lot of that the last couple of days. People would not put a user name on their posts and who were just posting to get a rise out of people here. Even when explanations were given they just continued on for the sake of ... well bullying.
Yes, you asked me questions but I did answer them.
Why was I here instead of leaving mwop? Not sure what you are getting at there?
I came here a few weeks ago. I'd certainly heard enough about this blog but as it was from people whose judgement and style I was not in agreement with thought I would check it out for myself. When I did I saw there was a discussion about me on here and thought I would introduce myself. I came here with an open mind. I liked it here. I liked the no bs atmosphere.
I HAVE left mwop. I don't know how to make that more clear. I deleted my discus acct. I'm not even reading there. The last thing I posted about on there was (just after the NS exchange) I was going to the mall to get my daughter and son in law a 1st anniversary gift. No big exit, just slipped away. For all anyone knows I might be still at the mall.
You know, this stuff about JOS is really interesting. I actually liked Jennifer at one point. But then I started looking more closely at who she was aligned with and saw it was the group who always took the comments to the nth degree.
I'd have to disagree with you saying she didn't incite things on here. I would say "Bully on" is the equivalent to throwing down the gauntlet. Funnily enough the people who picked it up were all anonymous. Strange that.
I do think she was stupid to post her real name on mwop. I mean she works for Homeland Security and she has her life open to the world? Her first thought should be for her family if she's not going to protect herself. I don't agree with the posting of the links but she should thank her lucky stars that someone alerted her to her pictures.
As for usernames, I'm not saying to you or anyone else to use your full real name, far from it. But if you are/were posting on mwop and mwop related sites then why wouldn't you use at least the same username?
Re: McKenna, I did go back and see that the faux Mckenna posts are gone, thank you for clarifying that it was a day earlier. Quite frankly it's all running together for me at this point.
I think Lauren, and others who said the same thing may be correct and the stirring up of controversy could very well be to support the new forum/facebook groups by grabbing the departing mwopers. It makes more sense then anything else. IMHO I think Shell acts in a very self destructive way; she's her own worse enemy.
I think that was it. Let me know if I missed anything.
Now I have a couple of questions for you:
Do you think I was "bullied" yesterday?
Or is it fair game for me to be questioned and attacked because I stood up to a mwop "bully" and exposed their game playing?
"JOS wasn't bullied, just stupid." "Annoyed, probably, but not bullied."
I will respectfully disagree. The intention and actions of the people/person performing the Google search is what distinguishes weather it was bullying. If somebody simply wanted to search JOS purely from curiosity and then keep the information to themselves that's one thing. However, if a person then takes that information and posts it on an internet site that is clearly an obvious attempt at intimidation. If somebody found that she had pictures of her child that were available on the internet there were other ways available to inform her of that fact.
Yes xyz you are correct, JOS was bullied.
Respectfully, An Observer That Can Think For Myself
I just checked out the link, and while I don't know the full story at all, it really bothers me that so many people are quick to jump on the child, and I have to ask, the shirt 9/11 was an inside job, are people really agreeing with this? or am I reading it wrong (generally curious tone here)
Oh, and while earlier I said it is not a na@ked person in the JM's photo, it appears she is not denying it. I for one still think the person is fully clothed, no I did not inspect the picture but from glancing at it, I plainly see clothes. I think JM is stirring up more drama.
Ohhh, okay then we can drop it there LOL, That's one I'd rather leave alone anyhow!
Still though, it is bothersome the comments, so many people are quick to blame bad behavior on parents, either from lack of parenting or abuse. AND so many are quick to jump to "punishment" as a cure!
It is sad isnt it? I mean they dont even know her, her son, what lead up to it, nothing just jump to conclusions and "I would do..."
I used to see that video and see the hurt in her eyes thinking that he was just a 'bad' kid. I look at it now and knowing more then I once did and I see the hurt in his eyes. It was more like he was trying to wake her up and see HIM sitting there in front of her.
Really Lisa/AP? Why bring up the past and drag people through the mud?Posting a link to a video like that is being a major BULLY! If you truly 'cared' for that boy you would not bring this up again and try to hurt this family. From what you say they have been through a lot already. It sounds like you need a hobby. You love drama and will participate at anyones expense. Very sad. That is an old video and you really don't know how things stand at this moment. Not fair of you at all.
Shannon, @ 4:20 I am not a good person to judge because I personally get very upset anytime I see someone saying "oh it's just a bad child", I have a son who has some behavioral problems, and honestly from the outside it looks as if I don't discipline him at all, but it really isn't the case.
Sometimes I wish that people who are so quick to say something about the "bad child" could expierence the situation from the child/parent's point of view.
The world has become so scewed that the first response is "bad"
Tempi my own son has had many issues. One thing I learned from my son is that there is no thing as "bad" when dealing with a child. They dont just become "bad" something happens and you have to find out what has been happening...you know find the route cause.
Tempi, My bad. I agree with you. People are very quick to blame a kids bad behavior on bad parenting. Not always the case. Until you have walked in that parents shoes, you should not judge. Especially if you are not a perfect parent yourself. Who is? The last thing any family needs that is having a rough time is to put their business on the internet for all to see. Like I said, the video is old. Be sure to mention that when you shit all over them. I'll sign this......Over it.
Shannon, that is the stage we are in now, the finding the cause stage. We've already been given a diagnosis for one thing (SPD), now we are awaiting our appointment for further testing.
@Anon 4:38 I don't understand your last statement. I do not think anyone from here is saying anything bad about the family, or dragging their name through mud. They are defending the family, or am I wrong?
What that video is, is a minor child being exploited for ratings.
I don't know the background story of that mother and son but I'm pretty sure that video is only scratching the surface; that child is full of PAIN.
I've never been to that blog before so I don't know their story either but IMHO taking a little sunshine-y story about love notes and cake baking and comparing it to a video of a child with a troubled life just to make yourself look like a stellar parent is all shades of wrong.
Tempi, They are NOT defending the family. They obviously do not like the Mother of this son. Head on over and read the comments they left on the blog with the video. I think it is a cheap shot. They may want you to think they care about the son, but I can assure you that they don't have his best interest at heart. If they did, they would not be bringing this old news up again. I feel badly for this boy for what ever reason he did what he did. He does not deserve this at all. over it.
"Really Lisa/AP? Why bring up the past and drag people through the mud?Posting a link to a video like that is being a major BULLY!"
Nah. If I was going to bully Wendy, I'd have posted it ages and ages ago on Daisy or my own blog. It's not as if I didn't know the video(s) existed; I've knows for years. And trust me, she's the biggest bully to sashay down the blogger pike, if you want to point that particular finger. But now, someone else posted the video and called that boy a monster, someone with a fairly decent readership, and the power to persuade. I can't let that go, sorry. If you want to call it bullying, go for it...I can live with that label if I can help that boy not be called a monster.
"If you truly 'cared' for that boy you would not bring this up again and try to hurt this family"
So, you're saying the best way to protect children is to do nothing and hope the ugliness toward them fades off? Not in my world and I'm sorry that's how it is in yours.
"From what you say they have been through a lot already. It sounds like you need a hobby."
I have hobbies, thanks! I have Farmville, I read, sew, cook, paint, try to protect people who can't protect themselves. It's hard, but I can handle it all. ;-)
"You love drama and will participate at anyones expense."
Oh, yes, I do love me some good internet drama and won't deny it for a moment. But at anyone's expense? That's funny, considering what I know and *don't tell. But hey, if I bug you that much, you know how to scroll, right? :-D
Lisa pardon me for jumping the gun here but I took the liberty of copying and pasting our comments from Zuzu's blog:
Lisa, aka AP said... First off, I love your blog and visit every so often, but have never commented before. I agree with some things and some not, but it's always interesting and your kids are adorable! Someone told me you had this video posted, however, and I know this woman. Not personally as in "real life", but know her online and very well, at one point. Please, don't blame the boy here, and he's no monster. His mother is...not right...and he is a child who has been raised in a very unhealthy environment, mentally. He's bright and sweet but, imo, has just been mentally worn out from her multitude of issues, has paid the price for them many times, and lashes out in anger about his situation. His father is trying to get custody of him to get him away from her, in fact. He deserves your sorrow and prayers, he deserves your hope for overcoming a lot of things he had no choice in, but not harsh words for *him, please. ~Lisa August 11, 2011 2:50 PM Shannon said... I would just like to comment saying that if you or the people commenting here actually knew even a little of the background that lead up to where that little boy was your tune would change.
The words and judgments that are being passed on that boy without even knowing what go them to that point are sad indeed.
I do actually know some of the background, from the mother in fact, and that isnt a little boy being disrespectful that is a little boy who is so hurt and frustrated knowing that it should have been him that it isnt even funny a little bit.
Really Shannon? Please. Most of us were not born yesterday. We know how you two feel about this mother. Don't try to make it look like you are just trying to protect her son. Most of us know better. Your goal is to further hurt his mother, which in turn will further hurt him. Lisa/AP This other blogger used him to make a point. A rather bad point. I don't see how it is your place to 'help' this situation. You are not helping by posting gossip about him or his mother on the internet. You know it. over it.
Do I like his mother? As a person, or the person that has been shown to me online, I dont hate her. Do I think that she needs to see her son? Yes. Do I want to cause her or him pain? Hell no. My biggest beef for a while now has been the fact that she often seems to forget that she even has a son unless someone is trying to go against her wishes...you know like getting him what he needs or into a more stable home.
Shannon, I think that bringing this up again is causing more pain to this boy. Maybe you don't care for his mother. That's fine, your choice. BUT, this is an innocent child that has obviously had a hard time with life. Gossiping about him does him no good. By Lisa/AP posting a blog post asking for people to chime in crosses the line. I'm sorry if you disagree. Crapping on his mother on the internet can not be helping him. I wish you both would have some compassion for this child. He doesn't deserve this. Losing a sibling at a young age and having a grieving mother had to be very traumatic. We can't judge how we would react to our parenting the living child until we have actually done it. I, for one am glad I have not had to find out. This will be my last comment on this blog. I just felt that someone had to speak up and truly protect this child's best interest. Chatting about him or his mother does not protect him in my opinion. over it.
I'm totally good with what I've done. If anyone wants to call me a bully, have at it. I've got big shoulders and big girl panties...bring it on. This boy has been a pawn in this mother's sick journey to make a living being a professional mourner and I've let it go all this time, until it hit a blog where it had to potential to become very ugly indeed, and where it has far greater potential to come to his attention, based on readership of that blog and his age, combined. I want him to know there are people out here, *mothers, who don't blame him. Who don't think he's a monster. Who get it and just want to hug him and make it okay for him. Do I like Wendy? Oh, hell, no, I think she's an ugly, mean and nasty person. But if this was about her, I'd give her last name or link to her blog. I did not do so, because it's not about her. It's about him and letting people know he's not a monster, he's not evil and he's not a murderer in the making. He's a kid who got a shitty hand in life and some of us see that. If anyone wants to disagree, I'm good with that...but I stand by what I did.
Thanks, Tempi, I appreciate that. He needs defended now; otherwise, the last word out there will be that he's a monster. The video looks awful to anyone who doesn't know the background, as Zsuzsanna obviously didn't. I don't blame her, though, since all she did was post the video, thinking it spoke for itself. How many of us might do the same? The fault lies with the mother who allowed her son's issues to be aired on national TV.
Yes, I completely agree someone needs to stick up for the boy, especially considering in a short time that child will be able to get online, and access information and see the comments people have left. He needs to know that he isn't a monster.
I will be the first to admit that prior to having my son, I would have been one of those to automatically assume "bad" child.
I know it is going to come as a shock to some, but I agree with XYZ.
JOS was bullied. Posting a link to her photos wasn't an attempt to warn her - that could have been done with an email she posts with her profile for goodness sake. It was done to intimidate her. Bullying.
Coco was bullied. She isn't getting what she wants or needs from MWOP and that's her business. She doesn't owe anyone an explanation and continually asking for one is harassing her. Bullying.
Eevee was bullied. Her full name should never had been posted. More intimidation. Bullying.
Joni was bullied. Neither Eevee or Joni were even topics of discussion and yet they, and their personal information, appeared here. I don't even know what to call that, actually. It was random and out of blue. And wrong.
Violet and Shell are bullied here all the time. Apparently they are omnipresent and are behind any and all things and comments. Which really cracks me up. You dislike them so much you are actually giving them way more power than they deserve.
Wendy and her child are being bullied right now. There is zero purpose to bring that link up again. Asking for people to chime in makes it gossip and that's just wrong. At some point he will find this site and read it. Is everyone okay with that? Would you want your children reading the same things about you?
Actually, I just made a good point. Would any of you want your children to read anything that has been written here? Honestly? The excuse that "they did it first" doesn't fly. Two wrongs don't make it right. Turn the other cheek and all that jazz.
Lauren you aren't being bullied. You haven't been bullied since you left the forum. You haven't created a safe place. You've created a place for people to say hurtful things and speculate wildly and pretend it's justice or pay back.
Some of the regulars are level headed (Hi Anonwalker) and thoughtful in their response, but for every Anonwalker there are a bunch who are just mean.
Now I shall take my leave. Yes, I know where the little red "X" is, thank you.
Good Grief, Charlie Brown
Ps. Coco, I never posted on any of the MWOP incarnations - just lurked.
Why don't you go preach at MWOP? Seriously, THOUSANDS of comments all bullying one person, that, is a cause! But then again they would probably not give you the consideration of letting your comment stand.
Not sure why you choose this site to be a martyr with? You've had years to try to stop bullying that JM gets each and every day. As soon as issues arise with MWOP integrity you're the 1st to say "2 wrongs don't make a right". True, but let's start with them. kay? Run along princess......
You said you've never posted on any of the Mwop incarnations yet you sent Violet a condolence email and you posted this to me the other day where you state you are a mwoper:
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Anonymous said... Coco,
I'm a MWOPer and I haven't seen Violet since she left and Shell has posted less than a handful of times - always using her actual name. Haven't seen Cate and I haven't seen LouLou. So they have a place to talk that doesn't include MWOP. Big deal. Out of curiosity how long have you been holding on to that email? Why did you decide to trot it out tonight? I've emailed my concerns to Anja about a couple of different topics, the lack of foreclosure documents most recently, and I found her to be open and upfront. Have you asked her if the other mods are around?
I agree, L, it looks like they dumped it a couple weeks ago.
It is really starting to look like MWOP and JM. Violet and Shell are mods and they are vilified. Violet and Shell go away and they are vilified. Who gives a rat's ass (sorry, Lauren) about Violet and Shell?
Good Grief, Charlie Brown August 8, 2011 9:48 PM
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Does everyone on mwop know you through osmosis?
If you've never posted how would Violet even know who you were when you sent the email to her?
Or is it because you were all on a forum together at one point?
You've obviously communed with these people somewhere as you know a lot about everyone. Much more it seems then I do. Although I noticed Shelmo was missing from your list on here earlier.
Just curious, and hope you can clarify what you mean.
Anyhow, even though you didn't ask here's what I expected of Mwop.
I expected mwop to hold itself to a higher standard or at least the same standard it expected of Jennifer Mckinney.
I expected that the drama on mwop wouldn't excede the drama on Mckmama's website.
But it did, and that frustrated and disappointed me and for a whole lot of reasons like that and more I realized that mwop was never going to take the high road.
Coco just hit it out the the park! Charlie has a few contradictions, no? You are a mwoper or maybe today you aren't? Your comment doesn't hold any merit when it is proven you are flat out LYING!
Just because I don't post on the blog doesn't mean I can't send someone an email when they are hurting. No, she didn't know who I was. Does it matter? I told her I was sorry for what she was going through. I told Lauren I'm sorry for what she is going through and she doesn't know me either. I stood up for you and I don't know you. It's called compassion and I try to pass it out freely.
I don't know anymore about these people than what I read in the comments. That was my whole point. The comments on here were bullying. Including the ones repeatedly asking you about MWOP.
Truvy,
It's been said MANY times on this blog that doing something distasteful because someone else did it first is wrong. Ask Anonwalker. She seems to a smart person who seems to have a moral compass.
How am I lying? Because I sign email to moderators "A user"? Because I chose to send some kind words to someone who was hurting even though they didn't know me from Adam? How does that make me a liar?
Charlie, Why would I ask anonwalker? Who is she, but another random person on the internet? I was asking YOU!
I haven't done anything distasteful, but I can clearly see you do not like it here. I do not like it at MWOP so I don't comment or try to pick comments apart or start fights with people there either. Not for me so I don't go there. Believe it or no there is a core group here that , from what I have seen, has gotten along pretty well up until 2 days ago when the flood gates opened to mwopers. Point being, you must have some motive here? What?
Do NOT underestimate exactly HOW FAR AP and Shannon/whatever name she uses recently will go to make Wendy look bad.
Seriously, she's a BAD mom.
I know her personally, and I know the criticism is SPOT ON.
Still...people who don't know her as well feel confident in indicting her? Seriously?
Having been around for quite some time and seeing the absolutely UGLY behavior of some of the "fine" "ladies" here (AP, Shannon), I would rather eat my own liver under duress than ever put any stake in ANYTHING they ever post.
Tina--have you forgotten how they abused you?
And anyone else who ever disagreed with them?
It is WAY BEYOND amusing that they are now primary posters on a "anti-bullying" site.
It just CRACKS ME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You go girls!! I bet folks actually believe you mean what you say!!
These two posts were from the other day, the top from you and an anonymous one that followed.
You state you sent an email to Violet an account you specifically set up to email her with.
Her plight must have really moved you because you set up a specific email account to email her with, an email that you state had never been used at mwop; not your discus account.
I'm impressed. That's really taking being compassionate to a whole new level for someone you had never even had a written interchange with except by reading her comments on an online board.
Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with being compassionate, I'm a compassionate person myself, although I don't know that I'd go to all that trouble to set up a special email on a blog I never posted on.
You call McInsanity and myself bullies for stating we weren't being nice towards Violet for being invited to the hairy forum because she probably considered us a friend.
And lo and behold the anonymous poster right after your comment continues the theme.
Reading your post and the post immediately after now can you honestly say that your post didn't inflame controversy on here?
Or does your compassion for others only extend so far?
Coco
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Anonymous said... I got the same email. Only I got it to the email address I used when I sent a condolence email when Violet lost her baby. NOT my Disqus email. In fact it went to an account I made up specifically to email her and has never been used for MWOP. Is it possible that Coco and Insanity sent Violet the same sort of email and Violet thought she had some sort of relationship?
Talk about bullies for crying out loud.
Good grief, Charlie Brown August 8, 2011 7:07 PM
Anonymous said... maybe Violet actually considered you a friend, Coco. Big mistake on her part, obviously.
I've just written a big post to you that has been eaten by spam but hopefully this other question I have will go through.
You sign an condolence email "a user" and yet you receive an email from Violet inviting you to the new forum?
If you got an email for the forum for sending basically an anonymous sympathy email how do you jump to the conclusion that because Mckinsanity and myself are also sent an email to the forum we're Violet's "friends"?
I'm curious, do you consider yourself and Violet friends now after receiving that form email?
I wasn't angry. I'm not angry. I honestly didn't read a lot into the email. She said she wanted a place to connect with people that had nothing to do with MWOP and BWOP and I left it at that. Should I have read deeper into it? My guess was/is she felt that people who reached out to her were friendly and those were the type she wanted to connect with.
I asked you about your email because I was curious of the timing. I got mine a few weeks ago. You left MWOP and then produced the email. I was curious if you had gotten it that day or what. I was trying to workout the timeline of events and why it was so wrong of Violet to invite you to a forum. The end. Nothing sinister.
I'm not sure what you are asking me. I have said nothing of MWOP integrity. I have said they are bullies. That is where I say two wrongs do not make a right. They bully and it is wrong. Several people I listed in my comment above were bullied the last couple of days. This is supposed to be an anti-bullying blog and yet it was crawling with bullies. The rationale that MWOP did it first so they deserve it is a poor one. No one deserves the kind of words hurled at them as several people did the last few days. No one deserves to have links posted to their personal information. No one deserves to have their full names posted. No one deserves to have their children's pictures linked. No one. Not JM. Not MWOP. Not the people listed above.
I am not a martyr with this site. It's an incorrect use of the word. I was an anon commenter in the beginning, but started signing a name because Lauren requested it. I've been here since day 1.
I didn't say that you stirred up any drama on this blog and I don't expect you to own what someone else said in your name, that wasn't my point at all. Thanks again for the clarification.
You are a regular poster now, what do you think? What definition of bullying are you using? I like this definition that was posted on this board awhile back.
Yes, I believe to a certain degree that JOS was bullied and have asked numerous times for people to stop calling names and being rude. I haven't given anyone a pass on their behavior, I even called you out on yours if you recall.
I don't know if the anon's are from mwop. I dont have an issue with mckenna and I think we have had a nice discussion between the two of us.
In all sincerity, I would love you to answer some of your own questions as well as to continue questioning the behavior of others.
Anon 10:46 Seriously? And what exactly do you mean by "Shannon/whatever name she uses recently"? Always used the same name unlike some, say you?
I am not attempting to tear Wendy apart. What has been said that she has not said to people? That at one point wasnt on her own blog? Why does her son have to be the bad guy and the "monster"? Honestly I could give a shit about Wendy but my heart has hurt for that boy knowing that she has said a lot of mean shit about him and people see that video and say mean shit about him.
Funny because she dished well herself. There was no victim in that sorry. Do two wrongs make a right? Probably not but when both parties are dishing it out nobody is "abused".
Most people with half a brain already know that the situation with Noah and Wendy was not as Wendy described it.
If anybody's feeling like they must defend Noah from the comments on that fundie ladies blog, good luck with that. You're only giving credence to their ignorant comments.
I had no idea what you guys were talking about in reference to "Wendy" so I clicked on the video link. Probably one of the top 10 decisions in my life I will regret. I could have gone the rest of my life without knowing any of that... and I wish I could erase it from my memory. Why this was posted, I will never understand, and those images will never leave my mind.
I'd have to agree that yes, you and I have had a very nice exchange of information. Also agree that people probably have something against me generally simply because I posted at MWoP or on JM's blog/FB and not because they actually paid attention to what I was saying. Or simply because other MWoP members had left a bad taste in their mouths and I was being judged according to that.
And my explanantion about not owning what wasn't mine was more so for people who kept insisting that I was stiring up drama when the only things said that could create a mess were not said by me. Anyone who has seen what I posts know I can go off on a tangent. LOL
Sorry, all, I didn't run out; I had an emergency come up I had to deal with and just got it all taken care of a bit ago.
"At some point he will find this site and read it. Is everyone okay with that? Would you want your children reading the same things about you?"
You know, I did think about that very thing when I posted what I did, believe it or not. I know, shocking, hmmm? But my son is 19 now and I asked myself what he'd need to read to feel okay about himself, to know he's not a bad kid and it's not his fault, were he in Noah's place. And I firmly believe it would give him some peace about *himself, some peace about things he's felt and that were dismissed. Would it be good to read that about your mom? No. And I do hate that part, to be honest. But, in the end, I'm not the one who chose to put my hurting kid and his issues out on national TV for people's consumption and degradation, just so I could look like a victim to more people. I made the choice to try to show him, should he ever find it, that none of this...NONE OF IT...was his fault and that despite the ugly comments on those videos and being called a monster and potential murderer on Zsuzsanna's blog, not everyone believes that and not everyone thinks he's been treated well. And Charlie Brown, I'm fine with anyone reading whatever I say, including my own son.
For the anonymous person who can't follow rules but said this: "(AP, Shannon), I would rather eat my own liver under duress than ever put any stake in ANYTHING they ever post." I can cook that liver for you, you know. ;-) And sure I've been ugly to Tina and Tina has done some less than stellar things to me and people I care for. No one was abused, though, and I think Tina and I reached an unspoken agreement to let bygones be bygones and move forward and I think she'll agree with me that it has worked pretty well for us both. And again, I'll repeat, if what I did was about getting to Wendy, I'd have done it *long before now. I'd also have included her full name, area she lives in and link to her blog; I did not. I hope no one else does. Now, Anonymous person, how funny you called her Tina, as I do. Things that make you go hmmmm...
Coco, exactly...just *exactly. That video should have never, ever been reposted and especially without knowing the backstory. But, it was and it's out there now. It can't be taken back, due to Szu...Zsusann...oh, hell, you know who's blog. And I will defend her, too, since she didn't know (and even though she deleted my comments, dammit) and thought it spoke for itself. I can't defend her feeling it spoke for itself and judging a *child, though, without knowing. Dr. Phil and Wendy are the ones I won't and can't defend here, who ultimately are to blame, for exploiting this boy in a way that is forever at least in our current world. All I care about here is Noah and Noah knowing people care and think he's the real victim here, and people can believe that or not...I really don't care.
I've had my concerns about this woman and this child since the first time I came upon her on the web. Sorry I knew then she had an agenda and she was using the death of her child for pity. I really feel for that child and hope that his father will step in and give him a chance at a normal life.
If you remember correctly W got involved in the Mckmama talk because she was jealous of all the attention Mckmama got for Stellan.
I agree about the Dr Phil stuff...awful to put your child on television like that. Exploitation if I have ever seen it.
I understand that some people feel a sense of desperation and can't afford counseling and all of the services that the Dr. Phil show allegedly sets up for their guests. I understand that they may feel it is the last resort for their family. I do not understand where they lose common sense and reason and allow themselves to put their children and put all of their dirty laundry in front of millions of viewers. I feel the same way about JM and her stupid blog. Children should have privacy and a voice in the matter. Humiliating them whether by over sharing their information or your own is never ok. I used to read O's caringbridge page when I was a chemo angel (not hers). I was so shocked when I ran across Wendy at OHIH and saw what had been happening with N. Breaks my heart.
I do believe some Mommy bloggers do a great job of finding the balance. I think Kelly St*mps is one of them. She says H is headstrong or difficult but her praise of her far outweighs the negative and she doesn't give a laundry list of shortcomings.
I actually still in a state of shock over this. I haven't read or seen anything about this woman (to my knowledge) since about April 2005. It's a bit surreal to read everything about it on here today once I figured out who she was.
What on earth did W. do during the Mckmama/Stellan stuff? I was on Jennifer's site at that time and I don't recall anyone standing out at that time that seemed out of whack? Maybe I wouldn't have noticed...
I know W went through hell when O. died but like so many parents who go through it you find your new normal (a lot of marriages don't survive the death but the mother's in my experience swing way to the other side and become more protective/loving to their remaining child(ren).
Although after seeing that video it would not be a stretch to seeing W find her way to Jennifer Mck. Only time will tell what Jennifer's children will turn out like.
Which came first? W and N appearance on Dr. Phil or Jennifer tweeting Dr. Phil at the height of the Stellan crisis?
Coco
PS Lauren I wrote a long comment to Charlie Brown last night that I think may have gone into spam. Thanks.
Let sleeping dogs lie. I don't get why Wendy has to be discussed here. Shouldn't it have been brought up in your own site, Lisa? And no, I'm not Wendy either. I don't like her but in fairness, she hasn't been on this blog and she's being discussed. I understand you want to defend Noah, but not much has been said/discussed about Zuzu or whoever and shouldn't that be who you are discussing? I just think this is wrong. It's not bullying, but if she comes in here, don't be all mad about it. Y'all are just adding one more website where the poor kid's name and situation is being discussed. Sad.
I'm fine if Wendy comes here...would be glad if she did, actually. I brought it up here because I felt there was a conversation to be had in reference to the point of this blog, as well...a conversation about bullying. Would anyone consider what Zsuzsanna did to be bullying? If so, of who(m?), the mother or the child? Did Wendy bully Noah by taking him on Dr. Phil? Lord knows a discussion could be had for days of how Wendy bullied people online. People have pointed fingers at me and Tina for bullying, but Wendy is one of the biggest online bullies to come down the pike, imo. So, it pertained to what this blog is about and I brought it up. Hope that helps!
Coco, they were on Dr. Phil in '08, so before Stellan. I know, at one point, she kissed up to JM in a huge way and JM did something nice for Noah, if memory serves...paid for him to go to a camp or something. I think she even did a blog post about Wendy once, but don't hold me to that. A lot of people found it ironic when she was so active and anti on OHIH after that; in fact, many people believed the implosion of OHIH came about because Wendy wanted to run the place and couldn't, so she bullied and created enough drama behind the scenes to ruin it.
Coco, I likely did read your friend's daughter's page. I only follow 2 kiddos on CB now because I became completely paranoid whenever one of my kids got a normal childhood illness or had any ache or pain.
I think Wendy needs some serious intervention. I do know what she went through with O was horrific. I don't have a clue how I would respond in that situation, but I do know that the statistics on siblings of children with cancer are pretty grim even if it's an emotionally "healthy" family. Dr. Phil is a snake oil salesman and I agree completely that it's all sensationalism. Sadly, I think a lot of people don't understand that when they reach out for help. That is strange about the boys. No one will probably know what that family is really like.
Yes Mckmama did write a blog post about W and she asked her readers to go and give W some support. 1000's of readers did just that....but it was like they came one time and didn't return. W got mad because I guess she thought she was going to get blog famous from Mckmama..she blamed Mckmama for not continuing to promote her in the blog world. It became nasty and that is when W showed up at OHIH and became a supporter of OHIH. This was also when she tried to reel in all the OHIH ladies and remember this is also about the time Tee her former friend was brought in the picture. Tee was there so W could have someone say W is for real and not a fake. They knew each other...next W began asking for handouts for Tee and this was about the same time the Krista stuff was happening. W is all about attention and she was actually pissed that the 1000's of people who came to her blog via Mckmama never came back or stayed...talk about greedy!!!
Lisa remember her secret blog...sound like anyone else we have come across in the blog world lately???
If I didn't know any better....when I came across Shell and Violet...I had flashbacks of W. I know they aren't the same..since I know who they are IRL but their behavior online, the clique mentality is so similar it is crazy!!!! I do believe their dislike for Mckmama is because they are so much like her...they are exactly like her and it scares them. They love to be in control, they are all about the ME ME ME ME ME!
Just like it took some longer than others to figure out W for who she is...it took some longer to figure out Shell and Violet. That's OK if it takes some longer...just as long as they do finally figure them out!
OMG Lauren you just pegged it for me because honestly I couldnt wrap my head around who Shell reminded me of....not crazy enough to be Krista but I think W is a perfect fit there.
UGH I just really hope that people realize that the problem and such isnt that, not so he's grown a lot, little boy in that video.
Anon 11:01 you said " I understand you want to defend Noah, but not much has been said/discussed about Zuzu or whoever and shouldn't that be who you are discussing?"
My thing with what she said and the comments that followed I dont think were so much done in a bullying manner but more out of ignorance. Hopefully she will see that perhaps the way that they have gone about targeting this child as being the one who has failed is wrong. I would sincerely hope that if even for just one second even one of them would stop and realize that perhaps what they see as the first impression isnt the real picture after all.
Lol, Tina, I wish you'd stop holding back and just tell us how you really feel. ;-)
Yeah, I knew about her secret blog; I was part of it. She drove most people away from that with her behavior and her controlling, obnoxious ways. It was easy to fall into her who story, though, and support her. I surely did for a good while. I think SIP finally fell completely apart, although I'm not sure. And I *knew I remembered that about Jennifer and the blog post...reading what you wrote brought it all back, and yes, she was very bitter. But she would lie, cheat, hurt people, whatever it took to be the big shot, the one in charge of everything. Sad, it is.
Yes I couldn't remember the name but SIP that was it.
I still have my email from her with the invite to that blog...I told her no because I wanted no part of a private thing and that is when she turned on me. I do believe she knew I didn't trust her...remember the Tee stuff? Think back to who was behind all that...
LOL Shannon..isn't it funny how when we look back at things they become so much clearer? Yes...they are so much alike!!!!
ANother thing I have noticed over the years with the Mckmama stuff...look how many people have turned on Mckmama because she would not help them to become popular mommy bloggers. That Angel Bottoms lady, Trenches of Mommyhood and many others. If Mckmama had promoted their cause or their blog...you can bet they would still be supporting her 100%. These are the ladies that I see their true colors...Elizabeth was another one....MWOP1 the same thing...they became angry and jealous so they turned on Mckmama. Many of us just saw things about Mckmama that we didn't agree with...we weren't jealous of her. Like for me it was the Blogher thing and once she started having to use the review blog..hey I felt things were fair now! I still didn't like many things she did but that is when I stepped back.
BTW I read the back history of W and believe me....she was milking her daughters illness for all she could....very sick behavior and so much of what she did is just like the stuff people have been angry about with Mckmama and Stellan.
"This was also when she tried to reel in all the OHIH ladies and remember this is also about the time Tee her former friend was brought in the picture. Tee was there so W could have someone say W is for real and not a fake. They knew each other...next W began asking for handouts for Tee"
Crap, that's creepy. I was on a forum once years ago where we had a woman ("A") who we all absolutely loved, but her life was one tragedy after the next -- she joined when her daughter had leukemia, then the daughter died, then her husband started abusing her, and on and on. But we just felt bad for her, never questioned her at all. At some point another woman joined the forum who, wow, happened to be from the same mid-sized town as A! This woman also had constant drama (schizophrenic daughter, suicide attempts, etc) but the two conversed on the forum, told us about their IRL meetings, etc. A's drama really slowed down around this point, things seemed more stable for her, we were all happy. Then one day someone posts from A's account claiming to be a family friend and says that A, her son, and the friend were all in a car accident and died (except the son, although I'm guessing he would have "died" eventually as well). We started to put together a memorial post and quickly realized things didn't add up. No news stories whatsoever about the crash, despite the sensationalistic details we'd been given by the poster (drunk driver! going the wrong way! over 100 miles an hour! This kind of thing makes the news, especially in a mid-size town)... We investigated and eventually found out the friend didn't exist, it was A herself, and that A didn't have any children, much less a dead daughter, and that she had been playing us for **almost three years** (that's the craziest part to me). Actually we never even found proof that A herself existed. The man she named as her husband is real (actually, I just googled him for old time's sake and he died last month, but he WAS real), and several of us talked to her on the phone so we know it was a "she," but the name she gave us was false and we never figured out exactly who she was. This was all about 7-8 years ago, though, so there was a lot less online then.
Anyway, the situation just sounded really similar to me, although at least W never faked her own death, or the death of her child. But making up friends to verify your lies... Ugh.
Since that whole ordeal I have taken everything on the internet with a heaping dose of salt. I pray for others facing tragedies but I don't get emotionally involved and always keep in mind that, in most cases, all of it could be made up. There are way too many scammers out there who get off on the attention of strangers.
I don't get the sense at all that Lisa/AP posted anything about W. here to bully her; rather, she really wanted a place to show compassion/sympathy for N. Especially since her comments were deleted from the zuzu? blog that DID in fact post the video - without even finding out the background on it. ugh.
Quick question for those of us trying to play catch up on W's past history w/ OHIH: Lisa made the statement on her site something like "after what W. has done to us" or "how W. treated us". What exactly is this referring to? Sorry, just trying to piece all this together! Carmen
So as I said, I have no background on this topic, and when I clicked on the link about Wendy, it only made me want to wash it from my brain. I also did not understand what "OHIH" meant, so I googled it and this was the info that came up...
Shannon is this you??? Is this info background on what is being discussed? I am a bit lost as have admitted this is all very new to me, so either I need to be directed to more background info, or someone needs to raise a flag when this discussion is over, because the video about Wendy disgusted me and I am not interested in discussing her.
"So, was Tee for real or not? I never did figure that out."
Yes'm, she was and is. I'm still in touch with her, in fact, and she's still aggravated that Wendy used her as she did.
"ANother thing I have noticed over the years with the Mckmama stuff...look how many people have turned on Mckmama because she would not help them to become popular mommy bloggers."
I never really thought about that, but you know, you're exactly right.
"BTW I read the back history of W and believe me....she was milking her daughters illness for all she could...."
She still does, last I knew. She was still so "depressed" over it that she's unable to work and lives on full disability (and lord knows what else)...yet she has the ability to run blogs online, dig up info on people, organize stuff methodically, such as personal info on people, etc., and was doing it for more hours of the day than a job would be. She's a professional, government-funded mourner, last I knew.
"We investigated and eventually found out the friend didn't exist, it was A herself, and that A didn't have any children, much less a dead daughter, and that she had been playing us for **almost three years** (that's the craziest part to me)."
Ugh! Mindy, rent "Catfish" sometime...it's about situations like this and well worth watching.
Carmen, it's so hard to explain, but she basically played a bunch of us against one another in an effort to gain more control over everyone. Some people wound up truly hurt over it all and real friendships were damaged.
Wendy and someone named Michele (nice woman) had the GMWOP blog. Michelle got used, she fell for Wendy's game, helped her and regretted it deeply in the end. She made sincere apologies and dropped off the face of the blogging world. Grammiemommy, aka GM, (maybe with Tina's help *ducks*, although not 100% sure on that anymore and not trying to stir shit up with Tina) did FWOP.
OH Alex your eyes would be really open if you know the background story. One thing for sure Whenever there is drama and bully the same names come over and over again.Right Shannon, Lisa?
Tina, I think there's a *very good possibly you're right about the whole deal with Krista now and that many of us listened to the wrong people. That's not to say GM was an angel, but about the money, I do think she might have been wrongly accused, yes.
Carmen, Tina, Shannon and I all met on OHIH. Shannon and I have kept in close touch since and while we've never met, I absolutely consider her to be a dear and real friend. :-)
Alex, that's Shannon's blog and man, reading that was a trip down memory lane!
"Whenever there is drama and bully the same names come over and over again.Right Shannon, Lisa?"
When it comes back to the old OHIH stuff and offshoots of it, yep, our names are always around and we usually show up. :-) We're the ones who still post around the blog world the most now, since many chose to pull back during the WOP Wars. Did you have a point, or was it just an observation?
Yes Alex that is my blog and that post was written within like 2 days of OHIH falling to the dirt. People kept asking about what went down so between myself and another we got it posted as to what happened there.
For clarification purposes I want to say Tina that it was not Wendy who told me that GM had withheld money from Krista but in fact an email that I had received that told me.
GAWD we have to go back what 3 or 4 years now....Lisa, Tina, and I.
Honestly I am very glad in a way that this discussion is being had here and that others are chiming in on it because in reality I think that some old wounds, to a point, may be getting some healing all the way around. It is amazing how one or two people can do things to cause harm to others and create damage that can last a while.
And FTR Tee was actually one of the first people that Wendy turned on when the SIP blog was up. How quickly the tides turned. Did I buy into everything Tee said, no still dont in fact, but she really didnt deserve the treatment that she received.
When Wendy started the GMWOP it was funny to a point because of the circumstances that were going on at the time. However, pretty much everysingle person that was talked about on FWOP (99% all from Daisy) were pissed when the photo that was posted in the header began to come together and it was not only of GM but also of her grandson.....kids are off limits!!!
Wake up People please share. I mean really you seem to be eluding to how Lisa and I are such horrible people...well please elaborate and share.
I am pretty sure that between the both of us Lisa and I have already admitted anything that you would like to share.
And FTR in public Tina I would like to apologize to you for calling you a cant on several different occasions. I will freely admit that I let my temper get the better of me in a lot of situations and instead of using my own head I listened to the words of others and just let myself be ruled by emotions instead.
I do believe the experience with OHIH really made it crystal clear for me what type of people Leah, Shell and Violet were.
It is the same drama and if I was writing a movie for the OHIH...the players would be:
Leah is Krista (super secret identity, lies every other word out of her mouth, drama drama)
Shell is Won aka Wendy ( total control freak, thinks she is so cleaver...but she isn't, drama drama, big talker, center of attention, know it all)
Violet is Tinycandi ( woe is me, pity party, friends with whoever will be her friend, jumps sides of the fence every chance she gets)
It is just another set of characters and the same drama drama drama...history repeating itself!
Actually the drama players go back further to the April Rose days and this is how the original MWOP started. Yes..I do know who the original MWOP is and I will not say...
Wake up People - I think we are all here for the drama! And prob 90% of the blogs I read, I read b/c there is some drama going on. As far as Shannon/Lisa always being involved - I just think they are far more ummm....vocal than most of us (as Lisa says *ducks)! At least they call it like they see it & are honest about it and stand behind what they say even if everyone else disagrees. Carmen
I do agree that we all let others pull our strings and I know I never had an issue with any of you other than I defended GM. Some how because I stood up for what I believed I became an enemy...I'm so glad we can all say we learned from this...I know the main reason I became so vocal towards people like Leah, Shell and Violet is I learned you have to stand up for what you believe even if it is the unpopular thing to do. Even if you stand alone....you have to do it and I am so glad and proud that I did. Believe me it was lonely being odd man out and being called names and talked about....BUT I knew they would be found out eventually and I knew this blog would someday be a safe place for someone else when they did to them what they did to me...
I'll come out of the woodwork and say that I was one of the loudest accusers of GM. That's because I have first hand knowledge of a very large sum of money getting dropped into the PayPal account after GM took it over, and that money was never distributed, according to Krista. Looking back, though, it's extremely probable that Krista was lying, since she was a complete nutter. Could I have been wrong? Sure. But I sure as hell will stop short of apologizing to anyone due to my personal info, including my work information, getting slapped up on FWOP. Whoever did that was fucking rotten, and if Wendy was feeding my info to whoever was running FWOP, she has a bitch slap coming from me.
Lauren - I just came back to the computer and was scanning the comments and I thought you were outing every single mod!! I thought OMG this is going to get GOOD tonite! Shoot - you were only comparing. Carmen
If I didn't know for sure they were all different people first hand I would have thought for sure they were the same people. LOL
Bella I think what many don't know is that Krista was playing everyone. People would send her money via pay pal and she was claiming she wasn't getting it...but she was and she was requesting it 2 and 3 times a day. In an effort to get more money she made people think GM was taking the money and hence people began sending her more by Western Union direct to her. Shannon said Won wasn't who told her GM stole the money but Won was who told me this...not sure who Won got her info from. GM had no reason to steal the money from Krista and actually GM sent Krista all the money and more...PayPal charges a fee and GM ate that on her own cause she felt so bad for Krista.
Like I said...many got taken over and over again...
Think for a minute how would someone get your personal info...unless you had become close with them and shared personal info about yourself???
I'm thinking Won aka Wendy must have given lessons to Leah, Shell and Violet cause the recording keeping and tracking of people is so similar.
They suck you in, make you feel a comfort, you share personal info, they write it down and the first time you cross them....BAM...they use it against you!
Lauren, that brings up the question: Do you think Krista was a drug addict? Won once sent me a Portland Craigslist posting for a call girl, who looked exactly like Krista. Camera phone photo taken in what looked like a hotel bathroom. I wish I would have saved it. How Won found it, who the hell knows?
I think at the end of the day, all of us, no matter which camp we landed in after OHIH, wants to know who the hell Krista was. I'm sure we will never really know. All that internet time, wasted! LOL!
I don't know for a fact...my opinion is yes, maybe. Something was off...the drinking I believe was over the top and I never could shake the feeling that she sure seemed very "Street Smart"...
I believe she knew how to work people and played on the kindness of many. I believe she needed to be the center of attention and the blog allowed her that..anytime someone came around like Tee, Won, Tinycandi who took the attention from her...she went crazy! Krista didn't like to share her throne with anyone...
I didn't trust her...I felt she was using people for personal gain...just like she claimed Mckmama did.
I am sure she is around the web and who knows she could be anybody for all we know. I'm not sure who really had the most contact with her?
Bella have to laugh at Won sending you a listing from Craiglist in Portland for a call girl....
Doesn't this show how Won aka Wendy was the world's worst about trying to dig up dirt on people.
What I find funny is Won aka Wendy was throwing the very people who had supported her with friendship and memorials for her daughter under the bus. The woman has no soul...she didn't care.
I heard through the grapevine that some of my old buddies were hanging out here, so I decided to come say hi! Looks like we've got ourselves a good ole' OHIH reunion! :D Reading through some of this is like a major time travel back in time--some of these names haven't crossed my mind in ages. Tina-sorry to hear about your losses. My thoughts are with you, your friends and family.
Tara!! Lol, it *is becoming a damn family reunion around here!
"Just Sayin'...... Why, Do I hit a nerve?"
Umm hmm, yes...because I'm so sensitive and shit. (sorry, Tina) If you've got something you want to say, say it and stop being irritating. Sheeeesh.
Bella, agreed about the info getting posted...that was wrong. But that's actually what got me to thinking about all this one day. Something reminded me of it and I started wondering just what in the hell any of us had ever done to GM to make her that angry. The only logical explanation I could find was that she was wrongly accused. Had I been wrongly accused of theft, and to the extent to which many of us carried it on with her, I might hold a grudge and get vengeful, too, if I was innocent and only one person believed me. That's when I got to thinking about how all the accusing started and realized it came down to Krista and Wendy. And from there, I realized we all may have been very, very wrong about GM stealing. That's not to say she didn't do other ugly things, but on this? Yeah. I always assumed GM got my info from Paypal, when I sent her money for Krista and maybe she did but Wendy definitely had it, too.
Coco, I first became aware of her through her CB page. Like I mentioned before, when she showed up @ OHIH I was shocked. She was talking about how bad her experience with Dr. Phil had been, she had been duped by the show, etc.. so I started looking around. I think she told us at one point what her blog was and I went there and all of the pieces fell together for me. She is a very bitter woman. The whole thing is strange. I don't know how she was with N before O got sick though. Maybe she had always treated him like he was less than.
Krista was the moderator of OHIH. She then allegedly became homeless and was living in a hotel, drama drama drama ad nauseum. People felt sorry for her and started donating money to help her stay in the hotel longer. GM was the one collecting the money as Lauren/Tina mentioned. I never did believe she kept the money. I actually left right before the crap all hit the fan though because things with Krista were not adding up for me. When I heard about it later I was shocked that anyone believed Krista when she said she didn't get the money. I went back to OHIH at one point but it was locked up and private and no way in hades was I giving out my information. I've seen enough of the crazy to know it's not for me.
Oh, wow, I won't attempt to catch up here. From what I've seen & read this is a really civilized (OHIHM reunion) place now. I'm really glad about that turn of events.
I have been in Violet's shoes recently and it struck a chord. It hurt that instead of offering support/compassion people glossed over it because they didn't know what to say or were uncomfortable. It takes three seconds to create an email address when you have your own blog so you have any email address you can think up.
As for the person who posted below me that is on them. I will stand behind my words, but I'm not going to own someone else's words. I think they were wrong to post something like that. Just like I think people were wrong to jump all over Violet for sending out a harmless email inviting people to a forum.
The topic has turned and I'm sorry to "hijack" the thread, but Coco took the time to post a comment and I wanted to respond.
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Awwww! Fresh start perhaps?
DA1228
Hope you had a great trip Lauren!
Forgot to say that first, sorry!
DA1228
Btw, Glad you're back
We appear to have been invaded by some MWOP angry folks.
Don't feed the trolls, they are afoot.
Glad to see you back Lauren! I have missed you!
Tempi-
I think that this blog should be retitled. Maybe "MWOP mods without pity" or "MWOP Facebook page without pity".
This place most definitely is NOT about bullies anymore. It's just another snark blog but with a different target. No surprise there.
"This place most definitely is NOT about bullies anymore."
Sure it is, just read the comments!
OMG, Anon you're a FREAK. You cross the line. I hate Bullies. Where is Lauren?
Coco just so you know we are pigs even though we are the ones who pretty much had our last straws over the "good Christian women" of MWOP blowing up pictures to see if there were genitals of a, then, 4 year old in a picture.
But yes we are the pigs here.
I really can't believe you are actively searching out n.aked pictures of kids. And then you have the nerve to post the link, as if we want to clink on it? What in the world is wrong with you?
Simply 'sue'
I'm not going to look at pictures of naked kids. My computer would already look bad enough in a forensics search without adding possible child porn into the mix. *twitches*
From the last post:
"I usually love reading your comments, but that word - it's just gross.
No smiley from me. :("
That's alright. I understand and am not mad at you or anything. :-)
What the hell is wrong with you people?
Look, Shelmo, Shell, Violet, JOS and company annoy the crap out of me, but that doesn't mean you should be actively searching out pictures of JOS's kids. I don't care if she's a hypocrite, it's gross, and if you find them while innocently searching, that doesn't mean you have to link the freaking album. That's disgusting and you should be ashamed.
And both sides need to cut it out with the language. Lauren requests all of two things in posting here -- no offensive language and name calling, and sign your freaking name. Calling people "cunts" "retards" "fucktards", whatever, is not only disgusting but also goes against that.
Both sides here are completely out of line. Between the MWOP people, the anti MWOP people, and JM herself, right now I would choose JM.
-Mindy
1. I did not actively search out any pictures. I did a search on JOS's name and her Picasa album came up almost immediately
2. the pic of the child was the cover page of an album, I did not have to "click" anything to see it
3. I did not post a link to said album - I only called out JOS to practice what she preaches
4. I see nothing wrong with any of that, and in fact, believe JM to be fine with the picture she posted. Its all about the hypocrisy of it all.
And finally, JOS, there are still more pics up that others have noted. I did not post links but encourage you to just lock it all down. Changing the name to Gi-Gi does not eliminate the indexing or the cache. And then you should maybe acknowledge your error and then maybe you could gain a bit of credit.
-rhymes with "rejects"
Lisa/ap, Glad we can shake hands and be friends.
Mindy, I pray that everyone takes your advice. The witch-hunt for JenniferOS is horrible, and if this site wanted a classic example of bullying, there it is.
"reject", own what you did. You searched for her name in the hopes of finding dirt, posted that info here, and led others to where they could find pictures of someone else's naked child. I rarely use this phrase, but it's the only one I can think of that fits right now: shame on you.
For all of those claiming JenniferOS owes Jennifer McKinney an apology: (wrote this already on the last post, oops) Is JenniferOS a blogger who gets thousands of hits to her blog per month? Is she making money from those hits? Or does JenniferOS just happen to have an online album that "rejects" dug up? How are those two things equal? Please enlighten us, if there's more to the story. If not, then JenniferOS is the one who's owed an apology.
pantysnatcher, I don't know what you're talking about, but it made me laugh. :)
xyz
Did anybody forgot that Jennifer Mckinney was making $$$$ from that picture, and use Stellan as a freaking girl prop so well that everyone thought it was Maisie.
whoa, you harass JM day and night over the minutia of her life and someone points out you ought to lock down your private pictures and you call that harassment? nice. weird logic, but incredibly insightful.
-rhymes with pantysnatcher
Lauren,
Some unsolicited advice: you may want to erase the comment on the last post by anonymous (near the end of the comments) that compares JenniferOS and JenniferMck to convicted child sex offender Warren Jeffs. I don't know anything about the law other than what I see on Law & Order reruns, but allowing an anonymous comment like that to stand on your blog might very well open you up to something unpleasant.
xyz
Rejects, thank you for pointing out that my Picasa albums were available for public viewing. Shame on me, I was not aware of that.
Shannon,
For all we know the "good christian women" looking up JOS's kids pics are the same ones who were examining JMCK's pics with their magnifying glasses.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the people JOS had aligned herself with have turned on her, now that she's no longer useful.
Nasty.
Coco
Let me know if I missed any others..
Please go away anon...we don't care for your BS!
It has been a bad week...my BF from grade school lost her SIL so we had another funeral to attend. I'm really tired and sick of death right now so I am going to bed. Life is very short and we all need to remember this!!!!!!!!!
Please no more name calling and links to naked childen. I really am in no mood to deal with silly crap right now.
Good Night...
Thanks....
I'm sorry for another loss, Lauren. I hope there is peace in your life soon.
If you're really in no mood for this silly crap right now, then you should probably close the doors. The bullying that has gone on over the last few days is as bad, if not worse, than the site than spawned this blog in the first place.
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
I agree with Charlie Brown. It's gone to the dogs, plain and simple.
FL
Lauren, I'm sorry about another loss...when it rains, it pours, doesn't it? ((hugs))
Bud,
In the last post you said "Besides doesn't one of you have a husband they should be taking care of or at least visiting?" Is one of the drama queens husband in jail or in the hospital? I'm afraid I missed this...it is really getting deep, eh?
watching the trainwreck
Wouldn't you love if this site closed down Charlie Brown ;) You are probably one of the people that pushed Lauren into making this blog, so she could finally call you out on her turf! Her rules, and you can't delete her comments or ban her.
No this blog is still very much needed, a few of the anons could leave with their raunchy language, but Lauren is the one too make that call.
Lolly
One is or was in jail..... regardless he needs to be kept an eye on ;)
Bud
Lauren I am truly sorry for your losses, I cannot begin to imagine how difficult the last few weeks have been for you. I do need to say that the tone of this blog has changed so much that I am uncomfortable participating anymore. I have seen people's Facebook profiles, names, and now links to their children's pictures thrown all over the place and nothing has been done to stop it. If you do not want to continue with this blog no one would blame you, but to allow it to become a disgusting bully site is reprehensible. Some of the comments are worse than on MWOP, the language and name calling is unbelievable. If you are not wanting to keep the blog then please think about closing it or handing it off to someone else.
Paige <---Who will no longer use my google account on here
Tina, I'm so sorry for yet another loss in your life. Perhaps you have someone who could mod this place on a more constant basis until you feel up to being around more? If not, then let what happens happen and people can like it or leave.
Paige, why no google account now?
Charlie Brown, FL and Paige...
Couldn't sleep so I checked to make sure no more problems and I see you guys think I should close down...
NO...I will not close down. This blog is for people to have a safe place to say what they like and not be banned or deleted. I have taken all the ugly comments down and I have removed the names and links to naked children.
This group has done just fine without me having to police it 24/7 until the latest drama. We are all adults here and I shouldn't have to be online all day every single day...I have a life and this blog is not my life!
Someone email me next time you see something and I get my emails on my phone and can delete it quicker....not to mention these last few weeks are not the norm. Hopefully no more funerals in my near future cause I don't think I can take another one right now!
I finally got all caught up on all the drama and I am not sure why Joni's name got put on this blog? I wonder if it wasn't Shell and Violet trying to take the monkey off their backs???
I knew they would not be able to stay away from the drama....they both like the attention they get from people online.
As far as Coco posting the email...well I think she had every right to post it. Coco did nothing wrong in my book since they sent her the email.
Shelmo...or Not Shelmo or whatever you call yourself these days...why come to this blog that you love to hate on so much? What MWOP isn't giving you the attention you desire? Just like people who go to Mckmama's blog and FB who don't like her....WHY come here considering how you feel about me?
The rules still stand....please try to be respectful to others and leave the vile name calling out.
I think these days everyone has to be careful what they put online. Just because you are not a "famous" Mommy blogger, does not mean that someone won't find your pictures. Or your address. These days you can't even get a speeding ticket without the info being made available to the whole www.
I respectfully disagree, Lauren. This blog is not a safe place. It is a place where people spew hate, call people names and post others' personal information. No one expects you to be online 24/7, but the last two days were ugly and unnecessary. Talk about online bullying.
You just added to it as well. Any proof whatsoever that Violet or Shell posted Joni's personal information? No. Why is that different than MWOP saying Jennifer lost the house without proof? No one was even talking about either of them when Joni's information was posted.
You didn't remove names. Katie's name is still there with an outrageous rumor attached to it. Eevee's name is still there even though it's pure speculation.
You and this blog have completely lost focus. I also realize this is a futile comment because you aren't able to admit a mistake. It's a shame since this blog could have done a lot of good as a safe place. It's not safe. Not allowing cursing doesn't make it save. The wild and over the top speculation certainly doesn't make it safe, especially when the moderator/owner speculates right along with the users.
Again, I am truly sorry you are experiencing so much loss right now. Hoping for a more peaceful time for you.
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
Lauren, I'm sorry to her about another loss. You are in my prayers. I hope you are able to get some rest. (hugs)
Charlie Brown, I agree the last couple days have been ugly. Mostly from Anon's. Of course people are going to speculate as to who is doing it. You ask Lauren what the difference is between this and Mckmama? The blog did not speculate, they posted the post about her losing her house as a fact. No one here has said it's a fact that Shell and her cronies are the anon's. IMHO, it is. Does it make it fact, no. But come on, some of their comments/actions really scream their names. (who else would bring up Joni's name out of nowhere like that?)
Regardless, if you want a fact only no speculation what so ever blog about bullies, why don't you start one? I'm not trying to be snarky, but if you don't like it here, start your own and show us how you think it should be done then.
That was supposed to say "sorry to hear". I need more coffee. :D
Lauren,
I'm so sorry to hear about your loss, I will continue to keep you in my prayers and positive thoughts.
I have to agree with the others and as I said on the last monster thread, can we please get back to the stated purpose of this board? Or at the very least stop the name calling, outing and so forth?
Lauren,
When you get a chance, you can delete my comment from Aug 10 at 7:13 p.m.
Sorry about your losses. I can relate, unfortunately, having gone through something very similar a few months back.
Thanks,
xyz
Tina sorry to hear about another loss. We are dealing with one very very close to our family right now as well and I can totally understand what you are going through. Distractions are nice though...however all the BS especially yesterday....d.a.m.n.
{{{HUGS}}} Lauren, so sorry to hear about another loss; that really is a lot to deal with.
Last year two of my best friends lost their fathers within 10 days of each other. Both were in their early 80s, but had not been ill at all, so huge shock for all.
Prayers and positive thoughts sent your way.
Lauren, sorry to hear about your loss. :( Hopefully things will get better soon.
Going back to the topic of Lauren's last post (posting of n@aked kids on blogs), I cannot believe that in Jennifer's latest post, the kids are n@ked again. The first one is questionable- maybe M is wearing a tube top? But later on in the post you can clearly see a completely n@aked older child in the background.
I just can't understand why someone would want to post that. Why not crop that part of the background out?
-ABC
I just wanted to add- I did NOT go looking for the n@aked pic, nor did I blow it up to see every minute detail. It's painfully obvious upon visiting the blog. I'm not a sicko, I just noticed it and wonder why that doesn't bother Jennifer.
-ABC
I REALLY wish people would not jump to conclusions. The second photo is not of a na@ked child, it is an adult wearing white capris and a peach/tan top. Standing next to another adult wearing jeans. Enlarge the photo. The first photo is questionable BUT people are looking for something that is not there in that second photo!
Tempi
ABC I thought that myself but while I am still questioning because my brain says that is a nekid person in the background....it is too tall to be any of the McK kids.
Tempi-
I take offense to your comment calling anyone who used to or still does post at MWoP "angry" and "trolls". From what I have seen it is my opinion that no one has acted like that here. I believe that your categorizations are not based on actual interactions but on your distaste towards MWoP and it shouldn't be heaped onto someone that has been respectful towards you and this blog.
Not liking what someone has to say or disageeing with them is no need for name calling especially when that person is acting in direct contradiction of what you are stating.
You've made a couple very snarky comments directed at me personally. I don't appreciate it but you can say whatever you want, that's your right, I just don't understand how you can be so rude with no cause for it.
Thanks everyone for understanding...
Life really is very short...
My comment about Shell and Violet was my opinion..I never said it was fact. I just think it was like something they would do.
Last night I looked at this new forum and I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't trying to drum up drama to get people over to their forum. It looks pretty dead to me and I believe that many have no plan of getting in bed with either of these ladies.
I also think it is pretty funny that many that received this email invite are saying they have had no personal relationship other than MWOP with Violet. So where did she get the emails from???? Sounds like Leah was not the only one keeping personal data on people!
McKenna I really find it funny how fast you turned from being a supporter of Mckmama to an active MWOP person. Yes, we all have the right to change our opinions but really even with he posts you have made here...I'm confused as to what side of the fence you are on????
The comment about Eevee being a double agent is so funny. Now that will be the best move ever if it turns out to be true!!!!
I did notice someone on MWOP was talking about CPS again and a regular said she knows for a fact CPS was called???? I wonder if this is why the pic is now set to private????
BTW I can't remember who said it and I am lazy and don't feel like going back into the 500 plus comments to find it..but thank you to who ever it was that said they now understand how I felt and why I started this blog. I always knew that the really smart people would one day figure all the bullies out. Sometimes we know something is not right but we ignore it and just go with the flow....standing up and going against the majority is never easy.
ABC,
When I read the post, I didn't see that. The people I see in the background of the second picture are fully clothes and bare legs and shoulders on a kid can mean anything or nothing.
McKenna,
Are you talking about Tempi's comments in this thread?
Hi Lauren-
I haven't gone back through this blog much but from the comments being made it seems you have suffered a loss recently. You have my most sincere condolonces. loss is never easy.
It's simple, I was never on one side or the other. I never straddled the fence. Never had a change of heart.
I used to read JM's blog because a friend did and I liked what I saw. I only ever judged JM with the opinion I formed of her based on what she posted and presented of herself. When I agreed with her I said so, when I disagreed I said so as well.
When I was vocal with my comments on her FB it wasn't in defense of her or to fight her battles for her; I made comments against the nastiness. I never plead her case or argued for her. I liked reading her posts but was really disgusted by the hateful people attacking her so I made a lot of comments encouraging people to say whatever they wanted but in a more respectful manner.
I started reading and posting at MWoP because two members (one future moderator) told me I was a hot topic of convrsation. I figured they were going to talk about me I'd at least let them base it on actual interactions with me isntead of rummors and assumptions.
If you read my posts on MWoP I never proclaimed I no longer supported JM, I didn't need to. If I agreed with something I said so or vice versa.
I came to this blog because a member of the FB group told me comments were being posted with my name signed to them. Those comments were not made by me and contained false information so I said so.
I have been very polite and respectful of the comments made towards me and about me, I ask the same in return.
There is one comment in this thread and one or two in the last thread. To my knowledge Tempi and I have never had a conversation or interacted with each other and I feel that her comments are really rude and not based on anything she knows of me, just assumptions and inferences.
I will stand by my comment in this thread, we had quite a few angry, hateful comments yesterday, people who came here to obviously start trouble, and I am going to assume they are from MWOP. If I am wrong, this I am the ass, but I honestly do not think I'm wrong.
Don't feed the trolls was simply meant to be that, if we don't engage the trolls they get bored and go away.
As far as being Snarky to Mckenna, yes I was. I told/asked you to go back to MWOP because when you came here you brought drama and uncivilized conversation. I think this blog was pretty civilized and we were all respectful to one another, even if we didn't agree, that was up until a few days ago when it seems like the angry birds descended.
Tempi
Tempi-
If you feel that members of MWoP came here and caused unecessary drama I can respect that but I honestly do not feel that my comments or actions here have done anything of that nature in the slightest. If I am wrong please give me a specific example. If you can't give me an example and are lumping me in with everyone else from MWoP who has left a bad taste in your mouth I'd appreciate you not saying I did something when in fact, I did not.
I have not been rude, called names, made accusations or disrespected anyoen here. I have stated several times that the original comments posted under my name were not from me and that they contained false information. I have also clearly stated a few facts because if something is going to have my name attached to it I would like it to be as correct as possible.
I can appreciate you wanting to keep this venue drama free, it's probably an enjoyable place to interact with people. I came here because someone was already screwing with this venue and getting people stirred up. I posted calmly and respectfully.
Mckenna,
Ah, thanks for the explanation. I still think you have/had a preconceived feeling about this blog and that might be affecting your reading of the tone of some messages. Perhaps us reading the tone of yours as well.
To Lauren, and any of the regular commenters here:
I have a couple questions.
If this blog is for the purpose of discussing bullying, do any of you think what happened to JenniferOS yesterday - on THIS site - was bullying? Why or why not?
Several people have said they think the drama was caused by people from mwop, but no one has given a real example of why they think that. (Saying that it seems like something they would do is not a valid example, in my opinion.)
Mckenna has explained several times, very politely, that the first comments attributed to her were not made by her, yet people here continue to say rude things about her. Do you think she's lying about those first comments here, or do you just dislike her because of her association with mwop?
I'm really trying to understand how people are deciding who is and isn't a bully. Because it seems to me that when it's someone you like who's being nasty, they get a pass or have a valid reason. But when it's someone you don't like, they're labeled a bully and trash-talked and subjected to speculation about their true character and motives.
I understand if that happens, because it's human nature. (For example- When your sister cheats on her husband, it's because he's a bad guy. But when the girl you don't get along with at work cheats on her husband, it's because she's a trollop.)
I'm asking these questions in all sincerity, and would love some answers from anyone who cares to do so.
xyz
Anonwalker-
That's a good way of looking at things. I won't say your wrong because I'm sure when I feel I'm being unjustly being judged or blamed I get defensive but I had never heard of this site outside of it's initials and didn't know what was discussed here until it was pointed out to me.
I didn't stir any drama or incite any nitpicking and trash talking. Someone else did and signed my name to it, I'm not taing the blame for that.
I'll do my best to be respectful if people who speak to me can do the same.
xyz-
I agree with every point you made, not just the one you made with regards to me (Thank you for that!), ALL of it.
McKenna,
Has it occurred to you that the very people who alerted you to the fact your name was mentioned on this blog may have been the same people who used your name in the first place to incite things?
You arrived here very quickly after your "clone" was here to stand up for yourself so you must have been in contact with these people on that facebook group or through mwop.
I have to say personally you mystify me. When you posted on Jennifer's blog you seemed erratic and inflammatory in your comments. Then you appeared on mwop and seemed sane, respectful and articulate. I admit at that time I didn't even believe you were the same person.
Coco
xyz,
I absolutely believe that what happened yesterday in regards to JOS was in fact bullying.
I think that a whole lot of what happened yesterday was in fact nothing more then bullying and I cant say for certain that it was a fact that those posters came from MWOP but considering the influx of ANON posters...that would be my hunch.
There were a lot a lot of comments made predominantly by anon posters that were over the line and over the top. Why do you think I began referring to them as nobody and nothing? If I have something ugly to say I say it, I use my name, it can be linked right back to me. However when people, including yourself in that one, dont actually READ what was said then it doesnt do much good LOL
Generally speaking this place is pretty darn respectful and doesnt go over the line with the language that was happening yesterday. That is why I do not believe that it was regular posters from here that did all that nonsense.
Shannon,
You made some good pints. This place has been respectful until a "incident" between 2 people happened at MWOP. That's when things took a drastic change for the worse here!
I think it is safe to say they (anon commenters) came from MWOP. Not saying they're current Mwopers, cause they did "step back", but everything of that whole mess 2 days ago stems from there. They've burned a lot, a lot of bridges and therefor need to start their own "sooper Sekrit edition" group. Really? Where else is there for them to go! I hope they lock themselves down tight over there, and never let anyone in, or OUT for that matter :) LOL.....
DA1228
XYZ,
I think if you post here with your IRL information that you set yourself up to be “Google searched”. The title of the post was “Naked Pictures of Children On The Web”, so I thought pointing out that a poster had very similar photos out in the open was not so much bullying per say. I think Rhymes with Rejects pointed it out and, JenniferOS took notice and pulled it down. In the time it took to pull it down a couple of posters were jabbing her, which maybe, could be considered bullying. I respect the way she handled it. 1) By protecting the pictures or taking them down and 2) Acknowledging she did not purposely make them public and 3) Admitting she was ashamed she had allowed them to be so easily assessable. I personally did not see the photos, but it does not sound like they were too bad or for craps sake someone would have called CPS on her. I would like to call CPS on some of the posters for being so freaked out and paranoid about everything. I cannot imagine how some of their children are being raised.
The way everyone is going on about the Sumo picture and the pictures today makes the people who are discussing it look a little over the top. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but come on people to claim there are naked people in the background of the new photos is just absurd. Now describing L’s ankle as a “Chub” is a bit off in my book. Maybe I have a potty mind, but that African bracelet was nowhere near a “Chub” and that my friends is bait.
So many people have either defected or been banned from the blog and or forum that I believe that this may be the new gathering place. When the super secret group was exposed to those who were excluded, there was frenzy of who’s who searching going on and I think that sparked the outings. I am sure there is more to come and what better place to expose bullies than on a blog titled “Bullies Without Pity”. GAME ON
~Karen~
xyz,
Even seemingly innocuous comments and questions made over and over asking for clarification from others, yet never listening to the answers, is a form of bullying.
Passive aggressive needling bulllying.
And yes there was lots of that on here the last couple of days. And some of the people stated they were from mwop or at least were readers of mwop.
As to JOS, she inserted herself into the middle of everything, saying some nasty things to others on here.
Is it right when people respond in kind?
No, but human nature makes some people retreat and some people to attack back. The fact IS that she attacked others yet left her back door open ,so to speak, opening herself up to more controversy about her own life.
For all anyone knows the people attacking JOS on here were formerly her "friends" from mwop.
What I don't understand is why people like yourself and Charlie Brown don't use a consistent user name from site to site?
If you are so above all this nastiness then why not prove it by showing that you speak the same words here and at mwop.
Or are you both more afraid of the backlash and BULLYING you would get from the mwop "inner circle" if you showed you have your own opinions and posted on this website?
If the answer to the last question is yes, then perhaps that's why you found your way here--- to the safe place that Lauren created?
Coco
Coco,
When you say "people like yourself and Charlie Brown" to whom are you referring too?
DA1228
Karen I will agree that the way that the original posters who pointed out the pics JOS had on her site were right in bringing that to her attention. However the ones who decided it was a good idea to post links...not so much.
The "Chub" thing really threw me off this morning because I have never heard a baby's ankles referred to like that before. Chubbies sure chunks but chub not so much.
As for the banned/defected gathering here now...I cant speak for everyone but I started reading here before I was D.O.N.E with MWOP. Mainly I was on both sites for a while and when I was realizing that I was getting pissier and pissier with those on MWOP for the crap behavior I was essentially done.
I will agree with you a lot on the CPS issue. I mean really I think that there are a lot better reasons to be using their time other then pictures that show no bits, even if they should be removed and are inappropriate.
DA1228,
The comment was addressed to xyz who I was responding to.
Coco
Shannon and DA,
I just now randomly clicked on some past posts here and looked at some of the comments. Some were respectful or simply chatty, some were nasty and disrespectful, or random, and many, MANY of them had no names attached anywhere. I don't know if that constitutes a track record of respect.
The anonymous comments could have been someone from mwop, or someone from here not using their name, or really from anywhere. I keep hearing about the awful mwop people, and some of them are awful, and some of them aren't. But didn't most of the people here come from mwop originally? If so, isn't everyone awful?
Coco, I think the original fake Mckenna comments are gone. But I was thinking she didn't come over here right away, it was a day or two later. Maybe someone else remembers, or Mckenna can answer that. Again, it could be someone from mwop who did it, or it could be someone who is anti-mwop. Only the person who wrote the comments really knows for sure. To speculate about it, based on nothing, leads nowhere.
Karen, I agree about why people don't post here with IRL info - me included - because who wants to have some random person like "rejects" leading people to your personal online photo albums? Your assessment of what "rejects" did makes it sound like "rejects" was simply doing JenniferOS a favor, and it didn't read that way to me. As for the "chub" that doesn't seem odd to me - I hear people with chubby babies talk about baby chub. I can understand, though, why people are on high alert about Mckmama's words AND photos, because she has given people lots of reasons to. I think it says more about Mckmama than about anyone else.
To those who gave answers/opinions, thanks.
xyz
xyz,
I totally agree that not all that have been on MWOP are awful people. In the course of the last year however you can see a downfall of the kinds that are posting there. Sometimes I do wonder if those people are in fact the same poster just posting under different names.
As for the prior postings I do think that the level from what has been seen before as to what was seen the last few days isnt even really comparable. Honestly whoever those posters were who were just full of ugly, I dont care where they were from or who they were.
The way Mckmama words everything just sounds perverted. Her kids have "chubs" and she "hunks" up her food? I think girlfriend needs to invest in some batteries.... or something?
Coco,
Are you referring to something specific here?
"Even seemingly innocuous comments and questions made over and over asking for clarification from others, yet never listening to the answers, is a form of bullying.
Passive aggressive needling bulllying."
I asked you questions about why you were here instead of just leaving mwop, but I was asking because I really wanted to know. I still don't get it, but that's okay. You can do what you want.
I wouldn't call this a "safe place" at all. That is why I don't use my real name. What happened to JenniferOS yesterday is a great example of why.
As I told you yesterday, I don't comment on mwop. I did, long ago, with a different moderator. I quit commenting over there for several reasons. So no, I'm not afraid of any backlash at mwop. What I found really interesting each time I went back to mwop, no matter who the moderator was or what was being talked about, there were still people claiming mwop had no credibility, or was losing it's credibility, and that the moderator was a terrible person. When mwop1 was there, she routinely had people saying horrible things to and about her. Now, everyone talks about the good old days of mwop1. Funny how that works, isn't it? It's all so hypocritical.
And humans, ALL of us, are hypocritical. Me included. What really bothers me is how some people spend alot of time pointing out everyone else's hypocrisy and contradictions, but will never admit their own. That's what has me so amazed about this site.
I have come to appreciate Lauren and this site in some regards, but in others not so much. I don't think you can "out" people that you don't like, and continue to insult them again and again, and include them in speculation with no apparent cause, but call yourself anti-bullying. I have negative opinions about some of the former mwop mods, but they're not mods on any mwop-related site that I know of, so I don't assume that they're at the root of every disagreement that happens on mwop or here.
xyz
Coco,
Sorry, I was confused :P Thanks!
Also, xyx, I didn't say the anon were current MWOPers, I should of specified & not lumped everyone into one group.
I know I have no "facts" as to who the anon comments were from. However, their track record & timing of everything seems too coincidental.
So yes, I think it was the *previous* mods from MWOP as well as a few of their shellple thrown in for back up. I haven't seen any of the crew comment there since this all happened either.
Now that I've said that I'm sure they'll pop up :)
opps above is me DA1228
Dear xyz,
Goto urbandictionary.com and type in "Chub" for the other meanings. Kudo's, the other meanings were not a trigger to you. It speaks volumes about you and again I will go get my mind out of the toilet.
~Karen~
Karen,
I know what a "chub" is, I don't need to look it up in the urban dictionary.
When I hear a mother of a chubby baby talk about chub, especially when in reference to a photo of said baby's very chubby leg, I think baby rolls, not hard-ons. It does say something about me that I didn't instantly "go there" but I think it says something positive, not negative.
Do I think other people have reason to be skeptical of her word choices? Absolutely.
xyz
Coco-
That's a very good question. I was a member of the FB group at the time and someone , I honestly forget at this point) that I was a) a topic of conversation which in their sarcastic opinion meant I had "really made it" and b) allegedly posting comments here. It struck me as odd even then that someone so actively involved with MWoP was reading at a 'competeing' blog but it didn't bother me too much, that was their issue, not mine. I really hadn't ever considered that the person who posted here with my name was the same person who told me about it.
I didn't post my first authentic comment until the day after the poser posted on Sunday. LIke I said, I just wanted to make sure that if I was involved in something it was actually coming from me.
As far as my commenting style, thank you. I'll take it as a compliment since my goal is to be respectful and articulate. And I'll own when I'm erratic, we all have our moments and I have more than my fair share of them. I guess I can say that I am honestly listening to the comments made to me AND taking a bit of my own advice when I shout at people to be kind.
Renae...
Might I suggest you go to some other blog if you feel that way?
No more trashing me....remember this is not MWOP and I get to make the rules and decide what stays on this blog and your comment is deleted!
BYE BYE
Lauren with all you have going on, comments like that are the last thing you need.
Have some respect ladies.
smh
Coco,
I was curious about this:
"As to JOS, she inserted herself into the middle of everything, saying some nasty things to others on here.
Is it right when people respond in kind?
No, but human nature makes some people retreat and some people to attack back. The fact IS that she attacked others yet left her back door open ,so to speak, opening herself up to more controversy about her own life."
So I went back and read the series of comments regarding JenniferOS. She didn't start with nasty comments, just the opposite. She posted an explanation about there being 2 groups, and that the email you posted was not in reference to the FB page that she was involved with. The only thing that I saw on her comment that could be taken as rude was the last sentence, where she said "bully on."
People responded, some rude, some not. She again explained, and again and again. The comments to and about her got increasilngly nasty. She then said this was all "re***ed" and it continued to go downhill from there.
I disagree that she came here in attack mode and that people were responding to her as a defense. People were vehemently against her from the start, seemingly because she was from mwop.
If you disagree, I ask you to go back and read through the comments again - if you can stomach it - and tell me if you still believe she made the first strike.
For the record, I don't know JenniferOS. I was just so stunned by what happened to her yesterday on a site proclaiming to be anti-bullying, and I can't believe other people don't think it was totally out of line.
xyz
Can I just say I bet that Coco hugging Tina up there firmly cemented her black sheep status in the MWOP world? It was super cute and sweet, though!
"If this blog is for the purpose of discussing bullying, do any of you think what happened to JenniferOS yesterday - on THIS site - was bullying? Why or why not?"
Yes and no. Sure, by the definitions used on this site, but not by any regulars that I saw...just by an onslaught of new people (from who knows where). Regulars disagreed with her, called her out on things she said, but I saw no bullying by regulars. But, in my opinion, if a grown-ass adult is bullied or feels bullied online, it's on them. We all have the choice to put our real info out there, or, alternately, to maintain complete privacy. No one chooses that for us. Most of us, and most definitely Jennifer included, are of normal intelligence and capable of making logical decisions based on actions and reactions. Lastly, we all have the ability to click off, walk away and effectively leave the so-called bullies behind. We are in a far, far different set of circumstances than kids at school and, frankly, if we feel bullied online, we really only have ourselves to blame. Now, threats physical of violence online *may be a different story, but that didn't happen. I ask myself, would I feel bullied, had I been Jennifer yesterday? The answer is a resounding no. Annoyed, probably, but not bullied.
When will people learn? The internet is not some big photo album or diary. It's full of strangers. If you wouldn't post a picture of your naked kids, your phone number, job information etc.. in your local grocery store, don't do it online!
JOS wasn't bullied, just stupid.
Just a note in response to Tempi-
I apologize for jumping to conclusions but I did not click to blow up the photo in question. One reason I didn't is because it has been mentioned here (among other places) that people who blow up pictures looking for naked parts are sickos. Now, I'm definitely NOT calling anyone here a sicko,so please don't take it that way at all. I'm just making the point that if the person in the background was, in fact naked, then wouldn't blowing it up to check make me just as bad as those women that blew up the photo of the kids with their pants falling down? They were looking to see if their boy bits were exposed in the picture.
I'm saying it seems like it's damned if you do, damned if you don't (please pardon the expression). If you DON'T blow it up to check, you're jumping to conclusions but if you DO blow it up to check, you're a sicko?
I think I'd rather jump to conclusions. But I'm glad that someone corrected me and now I don't feel so icky about it.
-ABC
Um, so several of Jennifer's readers think that person is nakey, and one even commented. Jennifer's response seems to confirm it's a naked person.
Not wanting to jump to conclusions, but that's really interesting. Maybe I am reading her response wrong?
-ABC
Renae no nerve just I am not putting up with any BS.
Move on down the road and go try to start drama some other place. Hey Shell and Violet have a new place and I'm sure they would love to have a new member on board...
See ya....
Tina, sort of off-topic, maybe, but I just heard that Szuszanna posted the notorious-to-some-of-us Dr. Phil video on her blog. Sure enough, she did. Lord knows how she got ahold of that (I did not do it!!) but what are your thoughts about this?
Lisa
link please?
Hi xyz,
Bear with me as I try to answer all your questions, I had a number of calls to make this afternoon so stepped away from the computer.
Re: Passive aggressive needling bullying
I think there was a lot of that the last couple of days. People would not put a user name on their posts and who were just posting to get a rise out of people here. Even when explanations were given they just continued on for the sake of ... well bullying.
Yes, you asked me questions but I did answer them.
Why was I here instead of leaving mwop? Not sure what you are getting at there?
I came here a few weeks ago. I'd certainly heard enough about this blog but as it was from people whose judgement and style I was not in agreement with thought I would check it out for myself. When I did I saw there was a discussion about me on here and thought I would introduce myself. I came here with an open mind. I liked it here. I liked the no bs atmosphere.
I HAVE left mwop. I don't know how to make that more clear. I deleted my discus acct. I'm not even reading there. The last thing I posted about on there was (just after the NS exchange) I was going to the mall to get my daughter and son in law a 1st anniversary gift. No big exit, just slipped away. For all anyone knows I might be still at the mall.
You know, this stuff about JOS is really interesting. I actually liked Jennifer at one point. But then I started looking more closely at who she was aligned with and saw it was the group who always took the comments to the nth degree.
I'd have to disagree with you saying she didn't incite things on here. I would say "Bully on" is the equivalent to throwing down the gauntlet. Funnily enough the people who picked it up were all anonymous. Strange that.
I do think she was stupid to post her real name on mwop. I mean she works for Homeland Security and she has her life open to the world? Her first thought should be for her family if she's not going to protect herself. I don't agree with the posting of the links but she should thank her lucky stars that someone alerted her to her pictures.
As for usernames, I'm not saying to you or anyone else to use your full real name, far from it. But if you are/were posting on mwop and mwop related sites then why wouldn't you use at least the same username?
Re: McKenna, I did go back and see that the faux Mckenna posts are gone, thank you for clarifying that it was a day earlier. Quite frankly it's all running together for me at this point.
I think Lauren, and others who said the same thing may be correct and the stirring up of controversy could very well be to support the new forum/facebook groups by grabbing the departing mwopers. It makes more sense then anything else. IMHO I think Shell acts in a very self destructive way; she's her own worse enemy.
I think that was it. Let me know if I missed anything.
Now I have a couple of questions for you:
Do you think I was "bullied" yesterday?
Or is it fair game for me to be questioned and attacked because I stood up to a mwop "bully" and exposed their game playing?
Coco
Lauren,
Sorry to bother you but I think my recent post just went into spam.
Coco
Tina, it's here. http://stevenandersonfamily.blogspot.com/2011/08/look-at-fruit-not-tree.html
Shannon and I are trying to defend N. *sighs*
DamnFakeNameHere & Lisa, aka AP;
"JOS wasn't bullied, just stupid."
"Annoyed, probably, but not bullied."
I will respectfully disagree. The intention and actions of the people/person performing the Google search is what distinguishes weather it was bullying. If somebody simply wanted to search JOS purely from curiosity and then keep the information to themselves that's one thing. However, if a person then takes that information and posts it on an internet site that is clearly an obvious attempt at intimidation. If somebody found that she had pictures of her child that were available on the internet there were other ways available to inform her of that fact.
Yes xyz you are correct, JOS was bullied.
Respectfully,
An Observer That Can Think For Myself
I just checked out the link, and while I don't know the full story at all, it really bothers me that so many people are quick to jump on the child, and I have to ask, the shirt 9/11 was an inside job, are people really agreeing with this? or am I reading it wrong (generally curious tone here)
Tempi
Oh, and while earlier I said it is not a na@ked person in the JM's photo, it appears she is not denying it. I for one still think the person is fully clothed, no I did not inspect the picture but from glancing at it, I plainly see clothes. I think JM is stirring up more drama.
Tempi
Oh man Tempi dont make my inner conspiracy theorist come out LOL
Let me just say that there are quite a lot of people who do on some level believe that it was an inside job or that it was done with knowledge.
Ohhh, okay then we can drop it there LOL, That's one I'd rather leave alone anyhow!
Still though, it is bothersome the comments, so many people are quick to blame bad behavior on parents, either from lack of parenting or abuse. AND so many are quick to jump to "punishment" as a cure!
Tempi
LOL probably for the best :)
It is sad isnt it? I mean they dont even know her, her son, what lead up to it, nothing just jump to conclusions and "I would do..."
I used to see that video and see the hurt in her eyes thinking that he was just a 'bad' kid. I look at it now and knowing more then I once did and I see the hurt in his eyes. It was more like he was trying to wake her up and see HIM sitting there in front of her.
Really Lisa/AP? Why bring up the past and drag people through the mud?Posting a link to a video like that is being a major BULLY! If you truly 'cared' for that boy you would not bring this up again and try to hurt this family. From what you say they have been through a lot already. It sounds like you need a hobby. You love drama and will participate at anyones expense. Very sad. That is an old video and you really don't know how things stand at this moment. Not fair of you at all.
Shannon, @ 4:20 I am not a good person to judge because I personally get very upset anytime I see someone saying "oh it's just a bad child", I have a son who has some behavioral problems, and honestly from the outside it looks as if I don't discipline him at all, but it really isn't the case.
Sometimes I wish that people who are so quick to say something about the "bad child" could expierence the situation from the child/parent's point of view.
The world has become so scewed that the first response is "bad"
Tempi
@ Anon 4:21
She did not share the link to drag the family down, it was merely sharing a link to another blog that was tearing the family down.
I think you are not understanding the situation at all!
Tempi
Tempi my own son has had many issues. One thing I learned from my son is that there is no thing as "bad" when dealing with a child. They dont just become "bad" something happens and you have to find out what has been happening...you know find the route cause.
Tempi,
My bad.
I agree with you. People are very quick to blame a kids bad behavior on bad parenting. Not always the case. Until you have walked in that parents shoes, you should not judge. Especially if you are not a perfect parent yourself. Who is?
The last thing any family needs that is having a rough time is to put their business on the internet for all to see. Like I said, the video is old. Be sure to mention that when you shit all over them.
I'll sign this......Over it.
Shannon, that is the stage we are in now, the finding the cause stage. We've already been given a diagnosis for one thing (SPD), now we are awaiting our appointment for further testing.
@Anon 4:38 I don't understand your last statement. I do not think anyone from here is saying anything bad about the family, or dragging their name through mud. They are defending the family, or am I wrong?
Tempi
BTW I HATE DR. PHIL.
What that video is, is a minor child being exploited for ratings.
I don't know the background story of that mother and son but I'm pretty sure that video is only scratching the surface; that child is full of PAIN.
I've never been to that blog before so I don't know their story either but IMHO taking a little sunshine-y story about love notes and cake baking and comparing it to a video of a child with a troubled life just to make yourself look like a stellar parent is all shades of wrong.
Coco
Tempi,
They are NOT defending the family. They obviously do not like the Mother of this son. Head on over and read the comments they left on the blog with the video.
I think it is a cheap shot. They may want you to think they care about the son, but I can assure you that they don't have his best interest at heart. If they did, they would not be bringing this old news up again.
I feel badly for this boy for what ever reason he did what he did. He does not deserve this at all.
over it.
"Really Lisa/AP? Why bring up the past and drag people through the mud?Posting a link to a video like that is being a major BULLY!"
Nah. If I was going to bully Wendy, I'd have posted it ages and ages ago on Daisy or my own blog. It's not as if I didn't know the video(s) existed; I've knows for years. And trust me, she's the biggest bully to sashay down the blogger pike, if you want to point that particular finger. But now, someone else posted the video and called that boy a monster, someone with a fairly decent readership, and the power to persuade. I can't let that go, sorry. If you want to call it bullying, go for it...I can live with that label if I can help that boy not be called a monster.
"If you truly 'cared' for that boy you would not bring this up again and try to hurt this family"
So, you're saying the best way to protect children is to do nothing and hope the ugliness toward them fades off? Not in my world and I'm sorry that's how it is in yours.
"From what you say they have been through a lot already. It sounds like you need a hobby."
I have hobbies, thanks! I have Farmville, I read, sew, cook, paint, try to protect people who can't protect themselves. It's hard, but I can handle it all. ;-)
"You love drama and will participate at anyones expense."
Oh, yes, I do love me some good internet drama and won't deny it for a moment. But at anyone's expense? That's funny, considering what I know and *don't tell. But hey, if I bug you that much, you know how to scroll, right? :-D
Lisa pardon me for jumping the gun here but I took the liberty of copying and pasting our comments from Zuzu's blog:
Lisa, aka AP said...
First off, I love your blog and visit every so often, but have never commented before. I agree with some things and some not, but it's always interesting and your kids are adorable! Someone told me you had this video posted, however, and I know this woman. Not personally as in "real life", but know her online and very well, at one point. Please, don't blame the boy here, and he's no monster. His mother is...not right...and he is a child who has been raised in a very unhealthy environment, mentally. He's bright and sweet but, imo, has just been mentally worn out from her multitude of issues, has paid the price for them many times, and lashes out in anger about his situation. His father is trying to get custody of him to get him away from her, in fact. He deserves your sorrow and prayers, he deserves your hope for overcoming a lot of things he had no choice in, but not harsh words for *him, please.
~Lisa
August 11, 2011 2:50 PM
Shannon said...
I would just like to comment saying that if you or the people commenting here actually knew even a little of the background that lead up to where that little boy was your tune would change.
The words and judgments that are being passed on that boy without even knowing what go them to that point are sad indeed.
I do actually know some of the background, from the mother in fact, and that isnt a little boy being disrespectful that is a little boy who is so hurt and frustrated knowing that it should have been him that it isnt even funny a little bit.
Exactly where in those comments is there bullying, untrue statements, hateful words towards her?
Really Shannon? Please. Most of us were not born yesterday. We know how you two feel about this mother. Don't try to make it look like you are just trying to protect her son. Most of us know better. Your goal is to further hurt his mother, which in turn will further hurt him.
Lisa/AP
This other blogger used him to make a point. A rather bad point. I don't see how it is your place to 'help' this situation. You are not helping by posting gossip about him or his mother on the internet. You know it.
over it.
Do I like his mother? As a person, or the person that has been shown to me online, I dont hate her. Do I think that she needs to see her son? Yes. Do I want to cause her or him pain? Hell no. My biggest beef for a while now has been the fact that she often seems to forget that she even has a son unless someone is trying to go against her wishes...you know like getting him what he needs or into a more stable home.
Who is this mother, Wendy? What blog?
DA1228
Shannon,
I think that bringing this up again is causing more pain to this boy. Maybe you don't care for his mother. That's fine, your choice. BUT, this is an innocent child that has obviously had a hard time with life. Gossiping about him does him no good.
By Lisa/AP posting a blog post asking for people to chime in crosses the line. I'm sorry if you disagree. Crapping on his mother on the internet can not be helping him. I wish you both would have some compassion for this child. He doesn't deserve this.
Losing a sibling at a young age and having a grieving mother had to be very traumatic. We can't judge how we would react to our parenting the living child until we have actually done it. I, for one am glad I have not had to find out. This will be my last comment on this blog. I just felt that someone had to speak up and truly protect this child's best interest. Chatting about him or his mother does not protect him in my opinion.
over it.
Over it,
Perhaps you should make thpse same comments on the women's blog who posted the video and called N a monster!
I'm totally good with what I've done. If anyone wants to call me a bully, have at it. I've got big shoulders and big girl panties...bring it on. This boy has been a pawn in this mother's sick journey to make a living being a professional mourner and I've let it go all this time, until it hit a blog where it had to potential to become very ugly indeed, and where it has far greater potential to come to his attention, based on readership of that blog and his age, combined. I want him to know there are people out here, *mothers, who don't blame him. Who don't think he's a monster. Who get it and just want to hug him and make it okay for him. Do I like Wendy? Oh, hell, no, I think she's an ugly, mean and nasty person. But if this was about her, I'd give her last name or link to her blog. I did not do so, because it's not about her. It's about him and letting people know he's not a monster, he's not evil and he's not a murderer in the making. He's a kid who got a shitty hand in life and some of us see that. If anyone wants to disagree, I'm good with that...but I stand by what I did.
I don't think you did anything wrong Lisa, it is the other blogger who posted the video who is wrong.
Tempi
Thanks, Tempi, I appreciate that. He needs defended now; otherwise, the last word out there will be that he's a monster. The video looks awful to anyone who doesn't know the background, as Zsuzsanna obviously didn't. I don't blame her, though, since all she did was post the video, thinking it spoke for itself. How many of us might do the same? The fault lies with the mother who allowed her son's issues to be aired on national TV.
Yes, I completely agree someone needs to stick up for the boy, especially considering in a short time that child will be able to get online, and access information and see the comments people have left. He needs to know that he isn't a monster.
I will be the first to admit that prior to having my son, I would have been one of those to automatically assume "bad" child.
Tempi
I know it is going to come as a shock to some, but I agree with XYZ.
JOS was bullied. Posting a link to her photos wasn't an attempt to warn her - that could have been done with an email she posts with her profile for goodness sake. It was done to intimidate her. Bullying.
Coco was bullied. She isn't getting what she wants or needs from MWOP and that's her business. She doesn't owe anyone an explanation and continually asking for one is harassing her. Bullying.
Eevee was bullied. Her full name should never had been posted. More intimidation. Bullying.
Joni was bullied. Neither Eevee or Joni were even topics of discussion and yet they, and their personal information, appeared here. I don't even know what to call that, actually. It was random and out of blue. And wrong.
Violet and Shell are bullied here all the time. Apparently they are omnipresent and are behind any and all things and comments. Which really cracks me up. You dislike them so much you are actually giving them way more power than they deserve.
Wendy and her child are being bullied right now. There is zero purpose to bring that link up again. Asking for people to chime in makes it gossip and that's just wrong. At some point he will find this site and read it. Is everyone okay with that? Would you want your children reading the same things about you?
Actually, I just made a good point. Would any of you want your children to read anything that has been written here? Honestly? The excuse that "they did it first" doesn't fly. Two wrongs don't make it right. Turn the other cheek and all that jazz.
Lauren you aren't being bullied. You haven't been bullied since you left the forum. You haven't created a safe place. You've created a place for people to say hurtful things and speculate wildly and pretend it's justice or pay back.
Some of the regulars are level headed (Hi Anonwalker) and thoughtful in their response, but for every Anonwalker there are a bunch who are just mean.
Now I shall take my leave. Yes, I know where the little red "X" is, thank you.
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
Ps. Coco, I never posted on any of the MWOP incarnations - just lurked.
Charlie Brown,
Why don't you go preach at MWOP? Seriously, THOUSANDS of comments all bullying one person, that, is a cause!
But then again they would probably not give you the consideration of letting your comment stand.
Not sure why you choose this site to be a martyr with? You've had years to try to stop bullying that JM gets each and every day. As soon as issues arise with MWOP integrity you're the 1st to say "2 wrongs don't make a right". True, but let's start with them. kay? Run along princess......
truvy
SStanding ovation charlie brown!
Charlie Brown, I'm confused.
You said you've never posted on any of the Mwop incarnations yet you sent Violet a condolence email and you posted this to me the other day where you state you are a mwoper:
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Anonymous said...
Coco,
I'm a MWOPer and I haven't seen Violet since she left and Shell has posted less than a handful of times - always using her actual name. Haven't seen Cate and I haven't seen LouLou. So they have a place to talk that doesn't include MWOP. Big deal. Out of curiosity how long have you been holding on to that email? Why did you decide to trot it out tonight? I've emailed my concerns to Anja about a couple of different topics, the lack of foreclosure documents most recently, and I found her to be open and upfront. Have you asked her if the other mods are around?
I agree, L, it looks like they dumped it a couple weeks ago.
It is really starting to look like MWOP and JM. Violet and Shell are mods and they are vilified. Violet and Shell go away and they are vilified. Who gives a rat's ass (sorry, Lauren) about Violet and Shell?
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
August 8, 2011 9:48 PM
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Does everyone on mwop know you through osmosis?
If you've never posted how would Violet even know who you were when you sent the email to her?
Or is it because you were all on a forum together at one point?
You've obviously communed with these people somewhere as you know a lot about everyone. Much more it seems then I do. Although I noticed Shelmo was missing from your list on here earlier.
Just curious, and hope you can clarify what you mean.
Anyhow, even though you didn't ask here's what I expected of Mwop.
I expected mwop to hold itself to a higher standard or at least the same standard it expected of Jennifer Mckinney.
I expected that the drama on mwop wouldn't excede the drama on Mckmama's website.
But it did, and that frustrated and disappointed me and for a whole lot of reasons like that and more I realized that mwop was never going to take the high road.
So I finally left for good.
The end.
Coco
Coco just hit it out the the park!
Charlie has a few contradictions, no? You are a mwoper or maybe today you aren't?
Your comment doesn't hold any merit when it is proven you are flat out LYING!
Coco,
Just because I don't post on the blog doesn't mean I can't send someone an email when they are hurting. No, she didn't know who I was. Does it matter? I told her I was sorry for what she was going through. I told Lauren I'm sorry for what she is going through and she doesn't know me either. I stood up for you and I don't know you. It's called compassion and I try to pass it out freely.
I don't know anymore about these people than what I read in the comments. That was my whole point. The comments on here were bullying. Including the ones repeatedly asking you about MWOP.
Truvy,
It's been said MANY times on this blog that doing something distasteful because someone else did it first is wrong. Ask Anonwalker. She seems to a smart person who seems to have a moral compass.
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
Anon 9:57,
How am I lying? Because I sign email to moderators "A user"? Because I chose to send some kind words to someone who was hurting even though they didn't know me from Adam? How does that make me a liar?
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
Charlie, Why would I ask anonwalker? Who is she, but another random person on the internet?
I was asking YOU!
I haven't done anything distasteful, but I can clearly see you do not like it here. I do not like it at MWOP so I don't comment or try to pick comments apart or start fights with people there either. Not for me so I don't go there. Believe it or no there is a core group here that , from what I have seen, has gotten along pretty well up until 2 days ago when the flood gates opened to mwopers.
Point being, you must have some motive here? What?
Truvy
Do NOT underestimate exactly HOW FAR AP and Shannon/whatever name she uses recently will go to make Wendy look bad.
Seriously, she's a BAD mom.
I know her personally, and I know the criticism is SPOT ON.
Still...people who don't know her as well feel confident in indicting her? Seriously?
Having been around for quite some time and seeing the absolutely UGLY behavior of some of the "fine" "ladies" here (AP, Shannon), I would rather eat my own liver under duress than ever put any stake in ANYTHING they ever post.
Tina--have you forgotten how they abused you?
And anyone else who ever disagreed with them?
It is WAY BEYOND amusing that they are now primary posters on a "anti-bullying" site.
It just CRACKS ME UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You go girls!! I bet folks actually believe you mean what you say!!
http://oopsiedaisyisaidthat.blogspot.com/
Charlie Brown,
These two posts were from the other day, the top from you and an anonymous one that followed.
You state you sent an email to Violet an account you specifically set up to email her with.
Her plight must have really moved you because you set up a specific email account to email her with, an email that you state had never been used at mwop; not your discus account.
I'm impressed. That's really taking being compassionate to a whole new level for someone you had never even had a written interchange with except by reading her comments on an online board.
Don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with being compassionate, I'm a compassionate person myself, although I don't know that I'd go to all that trouble to set up a special email on a blog I never posted on.
You call McInsanity and myself bullies for stating we weren't being nice towards Violet for being invited to the hairy forum because she probably considered us a friend.
And lo and behold the anonymous poster right after your comment continues the theme.
Reading your post and the post immediately after now can you honestly say that your post didn't inflame controversy on here?
Or does your compassion for others only extend so far?
Coco
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Anonymous said...
I got the same email. Only I got it to the email address I used when I sent a condolence email when Violet lost her baby. NOT my Disqus email. In fact it went to an account I made up specifically to email her and has never been used for MWOP. Is it possible that Coco and Insanity sent Violet the same sort of email and Violet thought she had some sort of relationship?
Talk about bullies for crying out loud.
Good grief,
Charlie Brown
August 8, 2011 7:07 PM
Anonymous said...
maybe Violet actually considered you a friend, Coco. Big mistake on her part, obviously.
cocosucks
August 8, 2011 7:11 PM
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Lauren,
Sorry to bother you once again, but spam obviously loves my posts because it just ate a big one.
Thanks!
Coco
Charlie Brown,
I've just written a big post to you that has been eaten by spam but hopefully this other question I have will go through.
You sign an condolence email "a user" and yet you receive an email from Violet inviting you to the new forum?
If you got an email for the forum for sending basically an anonymous sympathy email how do you jump to the conclusion that because Mckinsanity and myself are also sent an email to the forum we're Violet's "friends"?
I'm curious, do you consider yourself and Violet friends now after receiving that form email?
Is that why you were so angry about everything?
Coco
Coco,
I wasn't angry. I'm not angry. I honestly didn't read a lot into the email. She said she wanted a place to connect with people that had nothing to do with MWOP and BWOP and I left it at that. Should I have read deeper into it? My guess was/is she felt that people who reached out to her were friendly and those were the type she wanted to connect with.
I asked you about your email because I was curious of the timing. I got mine a few weeks ago. You left MWOP and then produced the email. I was curious if you had gotten it that day or what. I was trying to workout the timeline of events and why it was so wrong of Violet to invite you to a forum. The end. Nothing sinister.
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
Truvy,
I'm not sure what you are asking me. I have said nothing of MWOP integrity. I have said they are bullies. That is where I say two wrongs do not make a right. They bully and it is wrong. Several people I listed in my comment above were bullied the last couple of days. This is supposed to be an anti-bullying blog and yet it was crawling with bullies. The rationale that MWOP did it first so they deserve it is a poor one. No one deserves the kind of words hurled at them as several people did the last few days. No one deserves to have links posted to their personal information. No one deserves to have their full names posted. No one deserves to have their children's pictures linked. No one. Not JM. Not MWOP. Not the people listed above.
I am not a martyr with this site. It's an incorrect use of the word. I was an anon commenter in the beginning, but started signing a name because Lauren requested it. I've been here since day 1.
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
Mckenna,
I didn't say that you stirred up any drama on this blog and I don't expect you to own what someone else said in your name, that wasn't my point at all. Thanks again for the clarification.
xyz,
You are a regular poster now, what do you think? What definition of bullying are you using? I like this definition that was posted on this board awhile back.
http://bullieswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2011/06/how-does-bullybully.html
Yes, I believe to a certain degree that JOS was bullied and have asked numerous times for people to stop calling names and being rude. I haven't given anyone a pass on their behavior, I even called you out on yours if you recall.
I don't know if the anon's are from mwop. I dont have an issue with mckenna and I think we have had a nice discussion between the two of us.
In all sincerity, I would love you to answer some of your own questions as well as to continue questioning the behavior of others.
At the risk of being called a follower and childish again by a poster because I happen to agree...Shannon, Coco and Karen, all good points.
Anon 10:46 Seriously? And what exactly do you mean by "Shannon/whatever name she uses recently"? Always used the same name unlike some, say you?
I am not attempting to tear Wendy apart. What has been said that she has not said to people? That at one point wasnt on her own blog? Why does her son have to be the bad guy and the "monster"? Honestly I could give a shit about Wendy but my heart has hurt for that boy knowing that she has said a lot of mean shit about him and people see that video and say mean shit about him.
And also this:
"Tina--have you forgotten how they abused you?"
Funny because she dished well herself. There was no victim in that sorry. Do two wrongs make a right? Probably not but when both parties are dishing it out nobody is "abused".
Family systems are incredibly complicated.
Most people with half a brain already know that the situation with Noah and Wendy was not as Wendy described it.
If anybody's feeling like they must defend Noah from the comments on that fundie ladies blog, good luck with that. You're only giving credence to their ignorant comments.
I had no idea what you guys were talking about in reference to "Wendy" so I clicked on the video link. Probably one of the top 10 decisions in my life I will regret. I could have gone the rest of my life without knowing any of that... and I wish I could erase it from my memory. Why this was posted, I will never understand, and those images will never leave my mind.
-Alex
Anon 10:46
Wendy, is that you?
Anonwalker-
I'd have to agree that yes, you and I have had a very nice exchange of information. Also agree that people probably have something against me generally simply because I posted at MWoP or on JM's blog/FB and not because they actually paid attention to what I was saying. Or simply because other MWoP members had left a bad taste in their mouths and I was being judged according to that.
And my explanantion about not owning what wasn't mine was more so for people who kept insisting that I was stiring up drama when the only things said that could create a mess were not said by me. Anyone who has seen what I posts know I can go off on a tangent. LOL
Sorry, all, I didn't run out; I had an emergency come up I had to deal with and just got it all taken care of a bit ago.
"At some point he will find this site and read it. Is everyone okay with that? Would you want your children reading the same things about you?"
You know, I did think about that very thing when I posted what I did, believe it or not. I know, shocking, hmmm? But my son is 19 now and I asked myself what he'd need to read to feel okay about himself, to know he's not a bad kid and it's not his fault, were he in Noah's place. And I firmly believe it would give him some peace about *himself, some peace about things he's felt and that were dismissed. Would it be good to read that about your mom? No. And I do hate that part, to be honest. But, in the end, I'm not the one who chose to put my hurting kid and his issues out on national TV for people's consumption and degradation, just so I could look like a victim to more people. I made the choice to try to show him, should he ever find it, that none of this...NONE OF IT...was his fault and that despite the ugly comments on those videos and being called a monster and potential murderer on Zsuzsanna's blog, not everyone believes that and not everyone thinks he's been treated well. And Charlie Brown, I'm fine with anyone reading whatever I say, including my own son.
For the anonymous person who can't follow rules but said this: "(AP, Shannon), I would rather eat my own liver under duress than ever put any stake in ANYTHING they ever post." I can cook that liver for you, you know. ;-) And sure I've been ugly to Tina and Tina has done some less than stellar things to me and people I care for. No one was abused, though, and I think Tina and I reached an unspoken agreement to let bygones be bygones and move forward and I think she'll agree with me that it has worked pretty well for us both. And again, I'll repeat, if what I did was about getting to Wendy, I'd have done it *long before now. I'd also have included her full name, area she lives in and link to her blog; I did not. I hope no one else does. Now, Anonymous person, how funny you called her Tina, as I do. Things that make you go hmmmm...
Coco, exactly...just *exactly. That video should have never, ever been reposted and especially without knowing the backstory. But, it was and it's out there now. It can't be taken back, due to Szu...Zsusann...oh, hell, you know who's blog. And I will defend her, too, since she didn't know (and even though she deleted my comments, dammit) and thought it spoke for itself. I can't defend her feeling it spoke for itself and judging a *child, though, without knowing. Dr. Phil and Wendy are the ones I won't and can't defend here, who ultimately are to blame, for exploiting this boy in a way that is forever at least in our current world. All I care about here is Noah and Noah knowing people care and think he's the real victim here, and people can believe that or not...I really don't care.
Coco I agree...
I've had my concerns about this woman and this child since the first time I came upon her on the web. Sorry I knew then she had an agenda and she was using the death of her child for pity. I really feel for that child and hope that his father will step in and give him a chance at a normal life.
If you remember correctly W got involved in the Mckmama talk because she was jealous of all the attention Mckmama got for Stellan.
I agree about the Dr Phil stuff...awful to put your child on television like that. Exploitation if I have ever seen it.
I understand that some people feel a sense of desperation and can't afford counseling and all of the services that the Dr. Phil show allegedly sets up for their guests. I understand that they may feel it is the last resort for their family. I do not understand where they lose common sense and reason and allow themselves to put their children and put all of their dirty laundry in front of millions of viewers. I feel the same way about JM and her stupid blog. Children should have privacy and a voice in the matter. Humiliating them whether by over sharing their information or your own is never ok. I used to read O's caringbridge page when I was a chemo angel (not hers). I was so shocked when I ran across Wendy at OHIH and saw what had been happening with N. Breaks my heart.
I do believe some Mommy bloggers do a great job of finding the balance. I think Kelly St*mps is one of them. She says H is headstrong or difficult but her praise of her far outweighs the negative and she doesn't give a laundry list of shortcomings.
MckInsanity
Lauren,
I actually still in a state of shock over this. I haven't read or seen anything about this woman (to my knowledge) since about April 2005. It's a bit surreal to read everything about it on here today once I figured out who she was.
What on earth did W. do during the Mckmama/Stellan stuff? I was on Jennifer's site at that time and I don't recall anyone standing out at that time that seemed out of whack? Maybe I wouldn't have noticed...
I know W went through hell when O. died but like so many parents who go through it you find your new normal (a lot of marriages don't survive the death but the mother's in my experience swing way to the other side and become more protective/loving to their remaining child(ren).
Although after seeing that video it would not be a stretch to seeing W find her way to Jennifer Mck. Only time will tell what Jennifer's children will turn out like.
Which came first? W and N appearance on Dr. Phil or Jennifer tweeting Dr. Phil at the height of the Stellan crisis?
Coco
PS Lauren I wrote a long comment to Charlie Brown last night that I think may have gone into spam. Thanks.
Let sleeping dogs lie. I don't get why Wendy has to be discussed here. Shouldn't it have been brought up in your own site, Lisa? And no, I'm not Wendy either. I don't like her but in fairness, she hasn't been on this blog and she's being discussed. I understand you want to defend Noah, but not much has been said/discussed about Zuzu or whoever and shouldn't that be who you are discussing? I just think this is wrong. It's not bullying, but if she comes in here, don't be all mad about it. Y'all are just adding one more website where the poor kid's name and situation is being discussed. Sad.
I'm fine if Wendy comes here...would be glad if she did, actually. I brought it up here because I felt there was a conversation to be had in reference to the point of this blog, as well...a conversation about bullying. Would anyone consider what Zsuzsanna did to be bullying? If so, of who(m?), the mother or the child? Did Wendy bully Noah by taking him on Dr. Phil? Lord knows a discussion could be had for days of how Wendy bullied people online. People have pointed fingers at me and Tina for bullying, but Wendy is one of the biggest online bullies to come down the pike, imo. So, it pertained to what this blog is about and I brought it up. Hope that helps!
Coco, they were on Dr. Phil in '08, so before Stellan. I know, at one point, she kissed up to JM in a huge way and JM did something nice for Noah, if memory serves...paid for him to go to a camp or something. I think she even did a blog post about Wendy once, but don't hold me to that. A lot of people found it ironic when she was so active and anti on OHIH after that; in fact, many people believed the implosion of OHIH came about because Wendy wanted to run the place and couldn't, so she bullied and created enough drama behind the scenes to ruin it.
Coco, I likely did read your friend's daughter's page. I only follow 2 kiddos on CB now because I became completely paranoid whenever one of my kids got a normal childhood illness or had any ache or pain.
I think Wendy needs some serious intervention. I do know what she went through with O was horrific. I don't have a clue how I would respond in that situation, but I do know that the statistics on siblings of children with cancer are pretty grim even if it's an emotionally "healthy" family. Dr. Phil is a snake oil salesman and I agree completely that it's all sensationalism. Sadly, I think a lot of people don't understand that when they reach out for help. That is strange about the boys. No one will probably know what that family is really like.
MckInsanity
Lisa:
Yes Mckmama did write a blog post about W and she asked her readers to go and give W some support. 1000's of readers did just that....but it was like they came one time and didn't return. W got mad because I guess she thought she was going to get blog famous from Mckmama..she blamed Mckmama for not continuing to promote her in the blog world. It became nasty and that is when W showed up at OHIH and became a supporter of OHIH. This was also when she tried to reel in all the OHIH ladies and remember this is also about the time Tee her former friend was brought in the picture. Tee was there so W could have someone say W is for real and not a fake. They knew each other...next W began asking for handouts for Tee and this was about the same time the Krista stuff was happening. W is all about attention and she was actually pissed that the 1000's of people who came to her blog via Mckmama never came back or stayed...talk about greedy!!!
Don't even get me started on W being a bully!
Lisa remember her secret blog...sound like anyone else we have come across in the blog world lately???
If I didn't know any better....when I came across Shell and Violet...I had flashbacks of W. I know they aren't the same..since I know who they are IRL but their behavior online, the clique mentality is so similar it is crazy!!!! I do believe their dislike for Mckmama is because they are so much like her...they are exactly like her and it scares them. They love to be in control, they are all about the ME ME ME ME ME!
Just like it took some longer than others to figure out W for who she is...it took some longer to figure out Shell and Violet. That's OK if it takes some longer...just as long as they do finally figure them out!
anon 11:01
This blog is to discuss bullies and other things in the blogging world we may not agree with.
The discussion about W fits right in with all of that!
Discussing and talking about how you feel is not bullying.
OMG Lauren you just pegged it for me because honestly I couldnt wrap my head around who Shell reminded me of....not crazy enough to be Krista but I think W is a perfect fit there.
UGH I just really hope that people realize that the problem and such isnt that, not so he's grown a lot, little boy in that video.
Anon 11:01 you said " I understand you want to defend Noah, but not much has been said/discussed about Zuzu or whoever and shouldn't that be who you are discussing?"
My thing with what she said and the comments that followed I dont think were so much done in a bullying manner but more out of ignorance. Hopefully she will see that perhaps the way that they have gone about targeting this child as being the one who has failed is wrong. I would sincerely hope that if even for just one second even one of them would stop and realize that perhaps what they see as the first impression isnt the real picture after all.
Lol, Tina, I wish you'd stop holding back and just tell us how you really feel. ;-)
Yeah, I knew about her secret blog; I was part of it. She drove most people away from that with her behavior and her controlling, obnoxious ways. It was easy to fall into her who story, though, and support her. I surely did for a good while. I think SIP finally fell completely apart, although I'm not sure. And I *knew I remembered that about Jennifer and the blog post...reading what you wrote brought it all back, and yes, she was very bitter. But she would lie, cheat, hurt people, whatever it took to be the big shot, the one in charge of everything. Sad, it is.
So, was Tee for real or not? I never did figure that out.
MckInsanity
Yes I couldn't remember the name but SIP that was it.
I still have my email from her with the invite to that blog...I told her no because I wanted no part of a private thing and that is when she turned on me. I do believe she knew I didn't trust her...remember the Tee stuff? Think back to who was behind all that...
LOL Shannon..isn't it funny how when we look back at things they become so much clearer? Yes...they are so much alike!!!!
ANother thing I have noticed over the years with the Mckmama stuff...look how many people have turned on Mckmama because she would not help them to become popular mommy bloggers. That Angel Bottoms lady, Trenches of Mommyhood and many others. If Mckmama had promoted their cause or their blog...you can bet they would still be supporting her 100%. These are the ladies that I see their true colors...Elizabeth was another one....MWOP1 the same thing...they became angry and jealous so they turned on Mckmama. Many of us just saw things about Mckmama that we didn't agree with...we weren't jealous of her. Like for me it was the Blogher thing and once she started having to use the review blog..hey I felt things were fair now! I still didn't like many things she did but that is when I stepped back.
BTW I read the back history of W and believe me....she was milking her daughters illness for all she could....very sick behavior and so much of what she did is just like the stuff people have been angry about with Mckmama and Stellan.
"This was also when she tried to reel in all the OHIH ladies and remember this is also about the time Tee her former friend was brought in the picture. Tee was there so W could have someone say W is for real and not a fake. They knew each other...next W began asking for handouts for Tee"
Crap, that's creepy. I was on a forum once years ago where we had a woman ("A") who we all absolutely loved, but her life was one tragedy after the next -- she joined when her daughter had leukemia, then the daughter died, then her husband started abusing her, and on and on. But we just felt bad for her, never questioned her at all. At some point another woman joined the forum who, wow, happened to be from the same mid-sized town as A! This woman also had constant drama (schizophrenic daughter, suicide attempts, etc) but the two conversed on the forum, told us about their IRL meetings, etc. A's drama really slowed down around this point, things seemed more stable for her, we were all happy. Then one day someone posts from A's account claiming to be a family friend and says that A, her son, and the friend were all in a car accident and died (except the son, although I'm guessing he would have "died" eventually as well). We started to put together a memorial post and quickly realized things didn't add up. No news stories whatsoever about the crash, despite the sensationalistic details we'd been given by the poster (drunk driver! going the wrong way! over 100 miles an hour! This kind of thing makes the news, especially in a mid-size town)... We investigated and eventually found out the friend didn't exist, it was A herself, and that A didn't have any children, much less a dead daughter, and that she had been playing us for **almost three years** (that's the craziest part to me). Actually we never even found proof that A herself existed. The man she named as her husband is real (actually, I just googled him for old time's sake and he died last month, but he WAS real), and several of us talked to her on the phone so we know it was a "she," but the name she gave us was false and we never figured out exactly who she was. This was all about 7-8 years ago, though, so there was a lot less online then.
Anyway, the situation just sounded really similar to me, although at least W never faked her own death, or the death of her child. But making up friends to verify your lies... Ugh.
Since that whole ordeal I have taken everything on the internet with a heaping dose of salt. I pray for others facing tragedies but I don't get emotionally involved and always keep in mind that, in most cases, all of it could be made up. There are way too many scammers out there who get off on the attention of strangers.
-Mindy
I don't get the sense at all that Lisa/AP posted anything about W. here to bully her; rather, she really wanted a place to show compassion/sympathy for N. Especially since her comments were deleted from the zuzu? blog that DID in fact post the video - without even finding out the background on it. ugh.
Quick question for those of us trying to play catch up on W's past history w/ OHIH: Lisa made the statement on her site something like "after what W. has done to us" or "how W. treated us". What exactly is this referring to?
Sorry, just trying to piece all this together!
Carmen
Why does everyone call her Won?
So as I said, I have no background on this topic, and when I clicked on the link about Wendy, it only made me want to wash it from my brain. I also did not understand what "OHIH" meant, so I googled it and this was the info that came up...
http://imakeitup.blogspot.com/2010/02/ohih-cliff-note-version.html
Shannon is this you??? Is this info background on what is being discussed? I am a bit lost as have admitted this is all very new to me, so either I need to be directed to more background info, or someone needs to raise a flag when this discussion is over, because the video about Wendy disgusted me and I am not interested in discussing her.
-Alex
"So, was Tee for real or not? I never did figure that out."
Yes'm, she was and is. I'm still in touch with her, in fact, and she's still aggravated that Wendy used her as she did.
"ANother thing I have noticed over the years with the Mckmama stuff...look how many people have turned on Mckmama because she would not help them to become popular mommy bloggers."
I never really thought about that, but you know, you're exactly right.
"BTW I read the back history of W and believe me....she was milking her daughters illness for all she could...."
She still does, last I knew. She was still so "depressed" over it that she's unable to work and lives on full disability (and lord knows what else)...yet she has the ability to run blogs online, dig up info on people, organize stuff methodically, such as personal info on people, etc., and was doing it for more hours of the day than a job would be. She's a professional, government-funded mourner, last I knew.
"We investigated and eventually found out the friend didn't exist, it was A herself, and that A didn't have any children, much less a dead daughter, and that she had been playing us for **almost three years** (that's the craziest part to me)."
Ugh! Mindy, rent "Catfish" sometime...it's about situations like this and well worth watching.
Carmen, it's so hard to explain, but she basically played a bunch of us against one another in an effort to gain more control over everyone. Some people wound up truly hurt over it all and real friendships were damaged.
Wendy and someone named Michele (nice woman) had the GMWOP blog. Michelle got used, she fell for Wendy's game, helped her and regretted it deeply in the end. She made sincere apologies and dropped off the face of the blogging world. Grammiemommy, aka GM, (maybe with Tina's help *ducks*, although not 100% sure on that anymore and not trying to stir shit up with Tina) did FWOP.
Lisa...Shannon did I leave anything out?
Man, Lauren, Shannon and Lisa go back a long way! All this is soooo interesting.
Are Shannon and Lisa IRL friends? You two talk to each other like you are - like you know about each other's personal lives.
Carmen
OH Alex your eyes would be really open if you know the background story. One thing for sure Whenever there is drama and bully the same names come over and over again.Right Shannon, Lisa?
Tina, I think there's a *very good possibly you're right about the whole deal with Krista now and that many of us listened to the wrong people. That's not to say GM was an angel, but about the money, I do think she might have been wrongly accused, yes.
Carmen, Tina, Shannon and I all met on OHIH. Shannon and I have kept in close touch since and while we've never met, I absolutely consider her to be a dear and real friend. :-)
Alex, that's Shannon's blog and man, reading that was a trip down memory lane!
"Whenever there is drama and bully the same names come over and over again.Right Shannon, Lisa?"
When it comes back to the old OHIH stuff and offshoots of it, yep, our names are always around and we usually show up. :-) We're the ones who still post around the blog world the most now, since many chose to pull back during the WOP Wars. Did you have a point, or was it just an observation?
Just Sayin'...... Why, Do I hit a nerve?
Yes Alex that is my blog and that post was written within like 2 days of OHIH falling to the dirt. People kept asking about what went down so between myself and another we got it posted as to what happened there.
For clarification purposes I want to say Tina that it was not Wendy who told me that GM had withheld money from Krista but in fact an email that I had received that told me.
GAWD we have to go back what 3 or 4 years now....Lisa, Tina, and I.
Honestly I am very glad in a way that this discussion is being had here and that others are chiming in on it because in reality I think that some old wounds, to a point, may be getting some healing all the way around. It is amazing how one or two people can do things to cause harm to others and create damage that can last a while.
And FTR Tee was actually one of the first people that Wendy turned on when the SIP blog was up. How quickly the tides turned. Did I buy into everything Tee said, no still dont in fact, but she really didnt deserve the treatment that she received.
When Wendy started the GMWOP it was funny to a point because of the circumstances that were going on at the time. However, pretty much everysingle person that was talked about on FWOP (99% all from Daisy) were pissed when the photo that was posted in the header began to come together and it was not only of GM but also of her grandson.....kids are off limits!!!
Wake up People please share. I mean really you seem to be eluding to how Lisa and I are such horrible people...well please elaborate and share.
I am pretty sure that between the both of us Lisa and I have already admitted anything that you would like to share.
And FTR in public Tina I would like to apologize to you for calling you a cant on several different occasions. I will freely admit that I let my temper get the better of me in a lot of situations and instead of using my own head I listened to the words of others and just let myself be ruled by emotions instead.
I do believe the experience with OHIH really made it crystal clear for me what type of people Leah, Shell and Violet were.
It is the same drama and if I was writing a movie for the OHIH...the players would be:
Leah is Krista (super secret identity, lies every other word out of her mouth, drama drama)
Shell is Won aka Wendy ( total control freak, thinks she is so cleaver...but she isn't, drama drama, big talker, center of attention, know it all)
Violet is Tinycandi ( woe is me, pity party, friends with whoever will be her friend, jumps sides of the fence every chance she gets)
It is just another set of characters and the same drama drama drama...history repeating itself!
Actually the drama players go back further to the April Rose days and this is how the original MWOP started. Yes..I do know who the original MWOP is and I will not say...
Wake up People - I think we are all here for the drama! And prob 90% of the blogs I read, I
read b/c there is some drama going on. As far as Shannon/Lisa always being involved - I just
think they are far more ummm....vocal than most of us (as Lisa says *ducks)! At least they call it like they see it & are honest about it and stand behind what they say even if everyone else disagrees.
Carmen
LOL yes Carmen that is pretty true...we do both tend to speak our minds but we will own it and even admit we were wrong.
Shannon
Thanks..that means a lot to me.
I do agree that we all let others pull our strings and I know I never had an issue with any of you other than I defended GM. Some how because I stood up for what I believed I became an enemy...I'm so glad we can all say we learned from this...I know the main reason I became so vocal towards people like Leah, Shell and Violet is I learned you have to stand up for what you believe even if it is the unpopular thing to do. Even if you stand alone....you have to do it and I am so glad and proud that I did. Believe me it was lonely being odd man out and being called names and talked about....BUT I knew they would be found out eventually and I knew this blog would someday be a safe place for someone else when they did to them what they did to me...
Look at this blog now....
Makes me smile :)
Carmen:
I agree and I think speaking your mind is very brave but it takes an even braver person to say I am sorry and I made a mistake.
Both Lisa and Shannon have publicly done both and I applaude them for that...we could all learn from this.
Sometimes we are wrong...but wow how brave it is to say so!!!
::clapping hands::
I'll come out of the woodwork and say that I was one of the loudest accusers of GM. That's because I have first hand knowledge of a very large sum of money getting dropped into the PayPal account after GM took it over, and that money was never distributed, according to Krista. Looking back, though, it's extremely probable that Krista was lying, since she was a complete nutter. Could I have been wrong? Sure. But I sure as hell will stop short of apologizing to anyone due to my personal info, including my work information, getting slapped up on FWOP. Whoever did that was fucking rotten, and if Wendy was feeding my info to whoever was running FWOP, she has a bitch slap coming from me.
Bella - I want to know exactly how an internet bitch slap works? lol
Carmen
Lauren - I just came back to the computer and was scanning the comments and I thought you were outing every single mod!! I thought OMG this is going to get GOOD tonite! Shoot - you were only comparing.
Carmen
Carmen:
If I didn't know for sure they were all different people first hand I would have thought for sure they were the same people. LOL
Bella I think what many don't know is that Krista was playing everyone. People would send her money via pay pal and she was claiming she wasn't getting it...but she was and she was requesting it 2 and 3 times a day. In an effort to get more money she made people think GM was taking the money and hence people began sending her more by Western Union direct to her. Shannon said Won wasn't who told her GM stole the money but Won was who told me this...not sure who Won got her info from. GM had no reason to steal the money from Krista and actually GM sent Krista all the money and more...PayPal charges a fee and GM ate that on her own cause she felt so bad for Krista.
Like I said...many got taken over and over again...
Think for a minute how would someone get your personal info...unless you had become close with them and shared personal info about yourself???
I'm thinking Won aka Wendy must have given lessons to Leah, Shell and Violet cause the recording keeping and tracking of people is so similar.
They suck you in, make you feel a comfort, you share personal info, they write it down and the first time you cross them....BAM...they use it against you!
Lauren, that brings up the question: Do you think Krista was a drug addict? Won once sent me a Portland Craigslist posting for a call girl, who looked exactly like Krista. Camera phone photo taken in what looked like a hotel bathroom. I wish I would have saved it. How Won found it, who the hell knows?
I think at the end of the day, all of us, no matter which camp we landed in after OHIH, wants to know who the hell Krista was. I'm sure we will never really know. All that internet time, wasted! LOL!
Bella:
I don't know for a fact...my opinion is yes, maybe. Something was off...the drinking I believe was over the top and I never could shake the feeling that she sure seemed very "Street Smart"...
I believe she knew how to work people and played on the kindness of many. I believe she needed to be the center of attention and the blog allowed her that..anytime someone came around like Tee, Won, Tinycandi who took the attention from her...she went crazy! Krista didn't like to share her throne with anyone...
I didn't trust her...I felt she was using people for personal gain...just like she claimed Mckmama did.
I am sure she is around the web and who knows she could be anybody for all we know. I'm not sure who really had the most contact with her?
Bella have to laugh at Won sending you a listing from Craiglist in Portland for a call girl....
Doesn't this show how Won aka Wendy was the world's worst about trying to dig up dirt on people.
What I find funny is Won aka Wendy was throwing the very people who had supported her with friendship and memorials for her daughter under the bus. The woman has no soul...she didn't care.
I heard through the grapevine that some of my old buddies were hanging out here, so I decided to come say hi! Looks like we've got ourselves a good ole' OHIH reunion! :D
Reading through some of this is like a major time travel back in time--some of these names haven't crossed my mind in ages.
Tina-sorry to hear about your losses. My thoughts are with you, your friends and family.
Tara!! Lol, it *is becoming a damn family reunion around here!
"Just Sayin'...... Why, Do I hit a nerve?"
Umm hmm, yes...because I'm so sensitive and shit. (sorry, Tina) If you've got something you want to say, say it and stop being irritating. Sheeeesh.
Bella, agreed about the info getting posted...that was wrong. But that's actually what got me to thinking about all this one day. Something reminded me of it and I started wondering just what in the hell any of us had ever done to GM to make her that angry. The only logical explanation I could find was that she was wrongly accused. Had I been wrongly accused of theft, and to the extent to which many of us carried it on with her, I might hold a grudge and get vengeful, too, if I was innocent and only one person believed me. That's when I got to thinking about how all the accusing started and realized it came down to Krista and Wendy. And from there, I realized we all may have been very, very wrong about GM stealing. That's not to say she didn't do other ugly things, but on this? Yeah. I always assumed GM got my info from Paypal, when I sent her money for Krista and maybe she did but Wendy definitely had it, too.
So, was tinycandi the one who had the sick little girl and lived out on some remote farm or something? I can't remember.
MckInsanity
Coco, I first became aware of her through her CB page. Like I mentioned before, when she showed up @ OHIH I was shocked. She was talking about how bad her experience with Dr. Phil had been, she had been duped by the show, etc.. so I started looking around. I think she told us at one point what her blog was and I went there and all of the pieces fell together for me. She is a very bitter woman. The whole thing is strange. I don't know how she was with N before O got sick though. Maybe she had always treated him like he was less than.
Krista was the moderator of OHIH. She then allegedly became homeless and was living in a hotel, drama drama drama ad nauseum. People felt sorry for her and started donating money to help her stay in the hotel longer. GM was the one collecting the money as Lauren/Tina mentioned. I never did believe she kept the money. I actually left right before the crap all hit the fan though because things with Krista were not adding up for me. When I heard about it later I was shocked that anyone believed Krista when she said she didn't get the money. I went back to OHIH at one point but it was locked up and private and no way in hades was I giving out my information. I've seen enough of the crazy to know it's not for me.
MckInsanity
How about Blog Girls Gone Bad? Wasup with that?
Oh, wow, I won't attempt to catch up here. From what I've seen & read this is a really civilized (OHIHM reunion) place now.
I'm really glad about that turn of events.
Coco, not Kim's "gem" ? I hope she didn't get dragged into anything.
Coco,
I have been in Violet's shoes recently and it struck a chord. It hurt that instead of offering support/compassion people glossed over it because they didn't know what to say or were uncomfortable. It takes three seconds to create an email address when you have your own blog so you have any email address you can think up.
As for the person who posted below me that is on them. I will stand behind my words, but I'm not going to own someone else's words. I think they were wrong to post something like that. Just like I think people were wrong to jump all over Violet for sending out a harmless email inviting people to a forum.
The topic has turned and I'm sorry to "hijack" the thread, but Coco took the time to post a comment and I wanted to respond.
Good Grief,
Charlie Brown
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