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From: Concerned Collector <concernedcollector@yahoo.com>;
To: <twinsmomlauren@yahoo.com>;
Subject: LivingLargeMcHillbillies aka RascalUnfundie (Forum)
Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:24:28 PM
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130 comments:
Can you show us the header info on those emails? Kinda curious why you didn't do that to start with...
Smecky:
I did show the header? Not sure what else you would like to see? You can clearly see the address it came from and the date it was sent. If you email me with a fake email I would be happy to forward the email to you. I am leaving to go out of town this afternoon so I would only be able to do the email if you responded quickly...
Has anyone looked up concerned collector's profile on Yahoo? If they are really a yahoo user, they have a profile. Looking now...
Alex:
Thanks because I don't know how to do that?
Anyone that would like a copy I have nothing to hide and would be happy to forward it to you.
Just understand I am going out of town and it may be Tues before I can get to it if I get your request after 2 or 3 o'clock.
Also...like I said...when I told Joni(from the forum) that I didn't think I had gotten the IP's from a forum member..I hadn't noticed that the header stated Rachalunfunie from forum in the top...my mistake. Once I went back and looked..after I received the email offering to assist me in calling out people I realized the info was there. Like I said...I never responded to Casual Observer...I did respond to Leah back and forth a few times and the more I replied the more she shared.
Very interesting.
Very interesting indeed.
Have a fun and safe weekend Lauren and everyone else!
Batman
Lauren,
I am Casual Observer. My name is Alex. I tried to creat a blogger account with my email "piratedoggie" and it did not work - kept losing my posts, so I went back to piratedoggie/Alex/Casual Observer.
When you say you did not respond to me, what are you referring to?
-Alex
Coco:
I wanted to reply to you here since I have a new post up.
I always felt you tried to be fair...I always wondered WHY you didn't speak up more..the sandbox reference now makes sense. I always knew you were a "SMART" lady.
You are welcome here and like I have always said....even the ladies that have bashed me(not saying you Coco)just in general..as long as they didn't "Cross the line" I have posted their comments.
I do understand many didn't understand the WHOLE story..I probably didn't explain it well. It was personal to me...I KNOW THAT!!! It probably didn't seem like a BIG DEAL to many and probably appeared like I was being petty..in many ways, I was. I own that! But again, I was the one being attacked, bullied, having people tell lies about me..so it hurt! I fought back...that's my personality! I OWN that.
I don't hold grudges....I really don't. We all make mistakes and even if someone doesn't say they are sorry...I eventually move on and forgive. I honestly think Shell is bossy by nature..but deep down...she just wants to be liked. Who doesn't? I know I need and want people to like and accept me...but if they don't, nothing I can do about that.
All is good and believe me....I HATE no one...not even Leah or Shell or Violet....HATE will eat you alive and I would rather not have that in my life!
My motto..."Life Is Good Today...and Everyday" even when things are bad...look for the good, it's there!
PEACE
Alex:
Gottcha..
I think I might have meant that for someone else...all is good.
Sorry it wouldn't take your name but Alex is all good too.
Thanks Batman and same to you...
Hoping for beautiful weather and lots of good food and drink...more drink than food would be GREAT!!!! {wink}
Is anyone else not able to see the comments on mwop? I click on the comments and nothing is there not even the comment box.
~C
Thanks Lauren for your comments.
I respect what you are saying; I appreciate straight talk.
I honestly did not know who you were (under any name) nor did I go looking for you or this site until I exited stage left a few days ago.
As I've mentioned I never took my "MWoP life" off of the blog (except for Siann/goateater)
I actually at one point thought that the "forum" and the rumored "bully blog" were one and the same. Most of the time I didn't think about it at all because it didn't concern me.
I try to always look for the good, although it's how I've gotten singed in the past doing so.
I've raised my kids to always look for the silver lining when they find themselves under the dark cloud. I even believe(d) there was good in JM although I'm beyond caring to analyze her anymore.
I understand your need to fight back. If my integrity was being attacked I surely would fight back, after all isn't our integrity at the core of who we are?
Have a great fourth of July weekend! For me it's the Canada Day weekend and I'm about to get our Canada Day Feast ready for my family and wait for my DD and SIL to arrive. The sun is shining, it's hot out and all's right IMRL world. :)
Cheers,
Coco
~C
If they have banned you completely, this will happen.(Not sure if this is what happened)But they can block you from seeing and posting.
123
Coco you are welcome and have a great weekend with your family...family is EVERYTHING!
~C I'm not sure what that means but I know when I got on here and noticed that Shell had left I got a message that showed the blog but for comments it appeared there were none? If you can see the blog I doubt you are banned...maybe she is working on the disquis or maybe disquis is down? Not sure...
Lauren,
You're probably gone already, but when you get back maybe you should obscure parts of the IP addresses you have listed? You don't collect IP addresses so that really wasn't your information to make public. Yes, I know they mean nothing substantial before anyone jumps me; it's a principle thing.
Lucy
Ps. Thanks for the offer of the bracelets, but I really don't want them anymore.
"I did show the header? Not sure what else you would like to see? You can clearly see the address it came from and the date it was sent."
Tina, I think she means the "hidden" part where it'll show an IP, origination, the trail it follows, etc. Unfortunately, I believe I've heard you can't do this on gmail addresses but I know that *using Yahoo, I can open an email from someone up and then on top, I can click "actions", then "view full header" from the resulting dropdown menu. Hopefully you'll see a ton of coding; search that coding for "Originating IP" and the number. Then do an IP search on the number and you can at least get a general, geographic area it came from.
Most mail servers only grab the originating IP and that would be the originating MAIL SERVER'S IP address, not the user IP address.
Lisa,
you can do it for gmail, as well.
Anon 3:43,
The originating IP is for the computer the mail was sent from. Comparing the above 2 emails would at least let us know if they came from the same computer. Originating IP's can be manipulated but I doubt that would have been thought of. However, I wasn't even thinking of that at the time I wrote my comment. I was thinking that anyone could type an email addy on a blog and say "look, this is who sent it". Just figured Lauren being all about the IP's, she would have included that info to try to prove her suspicions.
Seems like I'm late to the party...
Lauren,
Thanks for the offer to stick around. I appreciate this.
My concern with your ominous 'information I have' sentences goes a little deeper than the much beloved IP address.
Please don't try to sell this as 'Shell had it coming for PornGage, Violet deserved it for condoning said PornGate, etc.'
I'm even with you on LivingLargeMcWhatever, for different reasons.
Off the top of my head you did it with kimintexas as well as jrck57 (something like that), too.
That went way beyond alluding to IP addresses.
There were at least 4 people whose full name you published here.
That's where you're losing credibility with me when you proclaim that you just want bullies to stop.
Regardless, I mean it when I wish you
A nice weekend & 4th.
"Most mail servers only grab the originating IP and that would be the originating MAIL SERVER'S IP address, not the user IP address."
Actually, I just experimented with a few pieces of mail, from various mail servers, and found it to be accurate. I *did misspeak, though, in that it's not the originating IP (for example, on Yahoo, they all lead back to Sunnyvale, CA), but rather, the IP following "Received: from (insert IP #) towards the bottom.
Smecky, I see what you mean and Tina well may know how to check advanced headers, lol, I guess I'd be shocked if she didn't, in hindsight, but some people may not so hopefully this is a handy trick for them. And you're right, they can be manipulated, but it's a good starting point.
Hmmm...learn something new everyday.
Have a fantastic weekend everyone.
Lisa,
If Leah was collecting and comparing IP addresses and banning any use of cell phones and proxy servers on the forum then I imagine she would have used a proxy server to send email. For all we know she is one of the anons that have been posting. If she was willing to sell her integrity to Lauren for a hope that her private life was left private then why wouldn't she cover her tracks? Geez, I hope for her kid's sake she is smart enough to cover her tracks. I'm not at all saying that Lauren would involve her children, but if she is going to bully people and collect personal information over te internet then she needs to make sure she is being smart about their privacy. Karma and what not.
Lucy
Hey Lauren you said you had an email proving Sunnybloom was Shell's sock puppet. Where is it?
Sunnybloom is NOT shells sock puppet, she does have a relation to one of the former mods. I have no proof to show, but I hope Lauren shares her proof. It is mighty interesting
Dj
Sunnybloom is Cate's mom
No, Lauren said she has email from Leah confirming with IP addresses that Sunnybloom is Shell. Someone is lying and I don't think it is Lauren.
Someone is speculating. And people get mad at MWOP for doing just this. This is heading in that direction!
Not to freak you guys out, but anyone can make an email originate from any IP address selected at random or on purpose. There are multiple services out there that do that...
Do not trust that the IP in a header is the actual IP an email originates from.
I did a little google-fu and it was super easy to find this out and confirm.
I think the point of this post is to show that it is difficult to trust anyone on sites such as this one. I don't take anyone's word as dogma unless I know the person IRL...everything else goes in one ear and out the other (well, except that I'm reading here and not listening to audio but you KWIM).
Go ahead and participate, but if you leave any tidbits about yourself, then it's for people with a good memory to put the pieces together. Some people care (and remember) and some don't (like me).
I'm not active in any of the sites but from what I have seen, Violet and Shell were the rotten apples in the bunch. Anja may take a different direction; maybe not jump the gun like Shell or be nutso like Violet (sorry, can't think of another adjective). I like that they're talking about books LOL Maybe they can turn it into a reading blog.
I don't buy that the mods left, though.
Alex, yes, you're right...lots of anonymous servers out there to put a screw into things. I recently received an anonymous and threatening email that showed to originate in Panama, although I have a fair idea of who sent it and they certainly don't live in Panama. In fact, I think all Panamanians either don't know me or love me. But for novice people who send emails using different addresses and thinking this covers them, it still might be good info for them and their receivers.
MWOP speculates and rightfully gets roasted. The comment here tonight outing someone sounds speculative to me. Is that where we're going now? An anonymous person throws out an accusation without proof and leaves. Whatever. I'm waiting for Lauren's email with proof before I give up on Shell's sock puppets.
Anon 11:33PM, if you read Lauren's first paragraph, she gives the reason for doing this.
The email she received is from someone on MWOP or the forum who states she may have useful info for Lauren. It was unsolicited.
Further, Lauren states "Bottom line is....PLEASE be careful and don't assume you can trust anyone on the Internet!" That's what she's trying to state.
She doesn't know who truly sent the email..so she put it out there so we all see what goes on in the darkness of the internet.
Trust no one. Better yet..we should all be planning our long weekends! Me included!
Piratedoggie,
You're right, which is why I said it can be manipulated. It also doesn't work so well if someone is logging on from a library, school, etc. unless both emails were sent from the same library, school, etc. But if concerned collector is who I think it is, she's likely not gone to such lengths. And if Lauren would get off the Leah kick and actually think about it, she'd figure it out as well.
Smecky,
Who do you think Concerned Collector is? Since she gave us her email, why not try contacting her?
-Alex
Because she isn't someone I'd ever like to have an email exchange with. Also, I could be wrong so I'm not going to accuse anyone in public. Just saying there are other people to consider besides Leah.
Lauren here...
I only have a minute...
Someone sent me an email saying there was a discussion going on saying I had proof or an IP about Sunnyvale. No, I never said that.
What I said was a month ago I received an email from an anon person saying they thought Sunnyvale was MWoPshell's sock puppet. They had no proof, no IP...I never shared the email because I had no proof. Hope that clears that up.
Kate:
Please go back and read...never gave kimintexas's real name...
I will not defend what names I gave out with you! I respect your opinion and please respect mine.
Smecky:
I don't know how to do the expanded header...like I offered before, if you would like a copy of the email...you are welcome to it and maybe you could expand the header..otherwise there is nothing more I can do. You are entitled to your opinion, like I am. I never said I had PROOF of who they came from..only what I thought. You know, my opinion. We can agree to disagree and "Life Goes On"
Ladies I never said DON'T GO TO THE FORUM or DON'T GO TO THE BLOG...you are adults and can make that decision for yourselves. I only shared the information I had and what you do with that information is up to you.
I'm on my netbook and it doesn't like google sign in so that is why this is showing up anon.
Carry on and have a great weekend!
L
I guess since I am new here, I am not totally understanding all of the background... (and since I have no idea who you are Smecky), by why would sending an email to CC be such a big deal? You don't have to maintain a relationship with this person, but wouldnt it be interesting to see what is going on?
I would be glad to send an email, but like I said, I am not informed enough about the "dangers of the McKmama drama" to converse with this person intelligently.
Plus, then you would have some sort if header to compare with... even if it might be "faked"
Pretty sure she reads here for one thing. For another, I'm not that invested in any of this. Third, she isn't going to tell anyone who she is or admit anything so it would be little more than a lesson in futility. Having her email wouldn't tell me anything anyway. I'd need something to compare it to.
I do think it speaks to Lauren's credibility that she won't even consider anyone but Leah, even with no proof. In any case, we can indeed agree to disagree.
Smeaky:
My credibility is not the issue.
I told you this is MY OPINION based on receiving an email that stated it was from Leah. The 2nd email made reference to the same phrase I COME IN PEACE and this is what I am basing my OPINION on.
I have clearly stated you are entitled to your OPINION. You still haven't said who you think it is?? I find it odd that I have received another email late yesterday from the same person calling herself Leah asking me WHY I posted this?
You know I could question your credibility, but I will not do that. I could say it seems funny or odd that you are the one questioning, yet I offer to send you the email and that still doesn't make you happy.
My conclusion is that NOTHING I say or do will make you happy. So with that, I will say fine! You are welcome to stay here, but if you are unhappy with the way I run this blog...you have FREE WILL and can leave at any time.
Now let's be clear...you are welcome to stay and you are welcome to have your opinion. The only thing I ask is that you be respectful to everyone and we will all be respectful to you.
The only reason I am online right now is my SIL wanted to see my blog...otherwise I would not be responding to this.
Hope that clears things up for you!
Lauren
Well anyone can say anything about anyone and call it an "opinion". What I'm trying to do is get you to understand that it probably isn't Leah. There is another forum still up on the internet. She still has access to all those IP's.
I haven't been disrespectful but apparently I did hit a nerve...I said I agree to disagree so why the rant?
Lauren,
We all know that the ones who are deeply invested in this Mckdrama can't simply click away from websites or blogs that they dislike. That is why there are so many commentors on MWOPBlog. They have more than expressed their dislike for Mckmama, but they can't leave her blog or stop refreshing it, for some reason. Do they have defective internet services or a browser that only allows them to see Mckmama's site and their own?
I have discovered many liars on the web. I have exposed most of them. There was two or three who continued their web of lies after they were exposed by me or others. JM may be a liar, I don't know. I don't care to find out, because I was never drawn to her, emotionally. I discovered her through Expose Trolls, and only there because I had been personally hurt by the April Rose scam. I wonder if all of these women on MWOP were hurt by JM's lies at one point? If she is a pathological liar, why hasn't she deleted her blog/sites yet? Most liars delete everything when they are caught.
I do have a question. How did Violet "steal" MWOPB? If she hijacked the domain, the original owner could get it back. Domain hijacking is illegal, punishable with years in prison. I know, I've prosecuted a domain hijacker in 2003. I don't want Violet to go to jail, I'm just wondering what in the world went on with that domain 'hacking'.
There's much of this that I just skimmed over, and I'm kind of new to all of this. However, I was a little taken back at how much hate and snark that whole crew at MWOP Blog radiated to JM. I apologise if my questions have already been answered. Feel free to rub my nose in it, and provide links.
Karey
Hey All, it's Pink. I have to say that the emails that Lauren are saying she believes to be Leah do certainly sound like Leah. They are written in a style that sounds like Leah for one. For two, I know for a fact that Leah keeps and tracks all IP addresses and forum user info and delights in learning who people are (as I told all who inquired when I was booted off the forum in an effort to warn forum users). For three, I know that Leah is extremely anxious to guard her personal irl info--more anxious to do so than many--and makes every effort to keep her irl info private. I think that Leah would go to great lengths to keep her info private. This is just my opinion of course.
Either way, the whole drama makes for an interesting read doesn't it? Lauren makes a good point in reminding us to be careful who we trust. The fact that anyone would send an email like this to someone they know off of the internet is disturbing to me. Be careful folks!
Pink
From my last count there are, or have been as many as 13 usernames who have had access to the forum's IP information at some point. I think Lauren does point out a very compelling coincidence. It does not prove anything, nor do I think she implies that. I don't think there is anyway to know who actually has this information or is using it. Everyone seems to be getting just a bit paranoid. My experience with the 13 possible usernames who may or may not have the IP information is that they are all capable of making their IP's appear to be from anywhere as well as screen name and password swapping. How many of these people have openly admitted to using someone else's sign on's and passwords? Some of these usernames also have been know to have multiple personalities and writing styles. All of these people also have friends all over the world whom they could call on to send such an email. Concerned Collector could be another sock puppet all together or even a sock puppet who has loaned out there email address and password.
Lauren,
I am starting to agree with Smecky. Here are two quotes from you on this blog -
"Lauren said...
K
All I know about Sunnybloom is that I received an email from Leah saying Sunnybloom was one of Shell's sock puppets? Now can we believe what Leah said?"
And then today -
"Someone sent me an email saying there was a discussion going on saying I had proof or an IP about Sunnyvale. No, I never said that.
What I said was a month ago I received an email from an anon person saying they thought Sunnyvale was MWoPshell's sock puppet. They had no proof, no IP...I never shared the email because I had no proof. Hope that clears that up."
No, it doesn't clear it up. Was the email from Leah or not? Did she say Sunnybloom is Shell or not? This is reminiscent of the recent MWOP mods where they would say one thing and then when pressed for proof say something else. I certainly don't like the idea of Leah passing out people's information, but if it isn't her passing it out then maybe a retraction is in order? If it is Leah then shame on her.
These are people's lives you're talking about. Potential employers Google people. If they are wrongfully accused and yet still show up here that is wrong. Yes, that's what MWOP does, but this isn't supposed to be MWOP. It's all fun and games until someone loses a job offer.
Lucy
Anon 4:00,
Who *currently* has that info? And why would Leah offer forum user info to Lauren? They aren't exactly bff's. It doesn't make any sense. That's all I'm trying to say. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, yes. But is everyone entitled to accuse people of things they can't prove?
@Smecky: Leah has copies of everything. She has copies of the forum. She has copies of everything that anyone has ever sent her. She has logs of everything from everyone she has ever chatted with. She admits to logging to Violet's account to match IP addresses from the blog with those on the forum.
Yet. Yet, she guards her privacy as though it were a state secret. She lies about whether or not she has a dh. Who knows if she is married or not. She lies about the number, sex, and ages of her children. Who knows for sure if she really has children. She lies about her children's illnesses. If you are telling a mommy of a sick baby about procedures her baby has had and claiming them for your child it might be best if you knew what the procedure was and why it's done.
If Tina were on to who she really is then everyone who has ever known "Leah" would admit she would give up anyone she needed in order to keep Tina from outing her personal life. It's not as far fetched as one might think.
I really have to ask a silly question. Why is it so darn important to "out" someone?
Shelby that is not a silly question, some people feel that since Jennifer McKinney has been outed it is perfectly ok to out anyone who disagrees with her. Even though SHE put herself out there as a public figure, these people feel that discussing her lies and calling her out for plagiarism is grounds for having their entire lives put out here for all to read. Looks like Leah is about to pay the ultimate price, she seems to be hiding more secrets then JM.
"Either way, the whole drama makes for an interesting read doesn't it? Lauren makes a good point in reminding us to be careful who we trust."
Agreed completely, Pink. Right now, it's the best drama going that I know of and whooo, yeah, on being careful who you trust.
Shelby, I think "outting" is sort of a threat against them, hoping they'll stop whatever they're doing for fear of strange internet people showing up on their doorstep or workplace. Some people care, some don't. I'm in the "don't care" camp now, but if I had young children, I'd feel differently.
It's Pink. When I knew Leah, I know that she kept copies of every email she was sent, every correspondence that related to the forum or the mwopblog and every piece of information she had regarding forum member's IP addresses and/or personal IRL info. She delighted in matching up people's details and IP addresses in an effort to find out who people 'really are.' However, Leah does guard her own personal IRL information as if she were in the witness protection program. She does not want anyone to know who she is IRL. To that end, she disseminates false information about the details of her life in the hopes that no one will be able to put the pieces together and figure out any truthful facts. She is very good at doing this. At one point I would have said that I was fairly good friends with her (although we have never met in person) but she still kept certain details to herself even from me. Of course, I know who she is and I know details about her real life. However, as I have always said, I do not reveal IRL information about anyone. Personally, I also like to keep my online presence somewhat private (yep folks, my real name is not Pink) but of course I am not that adept at keeping my details private and have been known to reveal details. Sigh.
Anywho, in my personal opinion, Leah would go to extreme lengths to keep her personal IRL information private.
And I know of very good reasons that people want to not be 'outed.' Often personal situations in our life such as our job situation, our family life, or other issues aren't compatible with our sharing of random opinions on websites. We are all entitled to share our random opinions, to be snarky or cranky. . . or whatever online AND to be able to keep our jobs or not experience difficulty with our family situations or other issues.
Just my two cents. . .
Pink
Well I guess I am going to just come out and ask this question - is Leah who everyone apparently knows as Shana the one who ran the Fellowship blog? Just trying to piece all of this together
Carmen
I find it to be rather childish. I mean unless sleuthing is up your alley (no snark intended). If you stand back and look, it's kind of funny. Oh look I know Jane Doe's real name and where she lives. What kind of satisfaction does one get from that? (Other than good drama every once in awhile)
Whoa...Shana from Fellowship? I know Shana. Well, I did, and I liked her. I had no idea she was still around the blogworld. :-/
Lisa, I hear you on the watch who you trust. Been there done that. I'm also in the don't care camp. I've been played like a fiddle by too many internet friends.
I don't think it's the same Shana.
Lisa - I don't know that she is still around.
Just wondering if she is the same Shana that Lauren said was Leah.
NOT the same Shana! She is around, sort of, just not on blogs.
I never donate to anyone on the internet. Ever. I've seen too many people burned and burned bad.
Seriously what are people going to do with your name. The IP thing has me in stitches.
I thought you only got Google alerts when new content was added about you or whomever. Like if you were in a news article or something.
... and we're off the deep end here again.
People reiterating IPs, Leahs vs. pink Shanas, all the while you could be reading 317 year old children's books...
Lauren,
I never said you gave out kimin's name. You just gave strong directions how to find her, her husband and ultimately her job via their last name.
Other than that I said you named 4 people by name and I'm uncomfortable with a site that does that.
No disrespect, but I'm tiring of total abandon of logic or structure.
If I may I will stick around but this thread does nothing for me.
Happy 4th, everybody.
Happy 4th to you Kate.
If you're gonna "out" someone at least spell the name right. Two Ns.
Sheesh.
Sha na na na....
Anon 6:36,
"If Tina were on to who she really is then everyone who has ever known "Leah" would admit she would give up anyone she needed in order to keep Tina from outing her personal life. It's not as far fetched as one might think."
So what you're saying is that Tina is blackmailing Leah into giving her forum info in order to keep Tina from outing her? If that's not correct then I give up because I don't understand why you all think Leah would give Tina anything, especially just out of the blue. Simply having access to the info isn't proof that Leah is handing it over. And this whole thing is circular. Those of you who are convinced *with no proof* that Leah is guilty are unlikely to change your minds. So like Lauren/Tina said, agree to disagree.
Happy 4th everyone!
Oh I see, so Lauren is the only one who can out someone huh? Why did the post get deleted Lauren? Why can't leah have her shit out there for all to see? Why do you get to pick and choose who to out?
Smecky...
Not all at! Lauren has proven she is above being double crossed. Leah bitched about Lauren and banned her from the forum. She made snide remarks about Lauren's grandchildren. Then she tried to befriend her in order to stop Lauren from going after her. Lauren published her email. Lauren is above board. Leah not so much. And it *sounds like Leah has a lot to hide.
Anon 6:36
Why was Leah's name deleted by "blog administer"? Are the MWOP mods running this place?
Hey Lauren is your admin anything like JM's admin? I can't figure out any other reason why those posts would disappear. I mean Leah is a bully, right? And this place is all about outing bullies...
Lisa
Gimme a break, Anon 9:19PM
It's Lauren's blog, she can delete anything she wants without having to explain it to anyone. It's her prerogative or don't you know the rules of blogdom?
LOL
Four deleted comments and none of them had profanity?
@Anon 10:15
Not only was there no profanity, but there were no lies either. Someone was outed and it was truly their name. I'm going to withhold judgement on the deletions until Lauren returns home because maybe her admin got trigger happy. Could you explain the deletions when you have a moment, Lauren.
Lucy
I am curious about the comment deletions as well. I thought the policy of this blog was not to delete comments unless there was excessive profanity in the comments. I hasten to add however that I don't like to 'out' people and don't appreciate it when someone 'outs' me either.
I also recognize that Lauren runs this blog and therefore gets to make any decisions she feels are best for her blog.
Still, I am curious about why the comments were deleted.
Pink
pinklink2@yahoo.com
Five comments deleted now. No swearing. No lying. Why are you protecting Leah, Lauren? You have "outed" four other people by giving their full names and associated internet aliases. Why does Leah, who has bullied and lied, get special treatment? This is making me very uneasy and feels MWOPish to me.
Pink it is okay for Lauren to "out" other people? I'm guessing no one wants to be outed, there is a reason why people take usernames, but it happens here. Leah has bullied people by blocking them from her forum and then talking trash about them. She was an active participant on the blog before MWOP2 refused to put a link on the blog. The only difference between Leah and the others Lauren has outed is that Leah has given Lauren information.
Anon 6:36
OK this is my 3rd time to post this darn netbook...
Everyone calm down...
I'm the one out of town getting emailed about all the crazy stuff going on..
I deleted the name until I can get home and confirm the info. This is my blog and I have to stand behind what is posted. If that is proven to not be her name I would feel terrible for that person.
I'm trying to not have to put the comments on moderation...PLEASE be nice and I will be home Monday and post more about this.
I'm going have another DRINK...
Lauren
Anon 6:36, you asked me if I think it is okay for Lauren to out someone. Honestly, I struggle with this question, not specifically with regards to Lauren, but with regards to anyone and the issue of being outed.
I have personal reasons for wishing to remain somewhat anonymous on the internet. They are valid and important reasons--to me. I know that others also have personal reasons that are valid and important to them and I can respect that. In theory, I don't think that anyone should be outed. But what if a person who is striving to keep their identity a secret is also simultaneously doing immoral or inappropriate things to others? Do they deserve to have their secrets kept? I am just not sure. When I was a part of the forum I operated with integrity and looked out for members. And then I was inappropriately booted, lied about, lied to, and had my reputation repeatedly tarnished based on lies. And then, to top it all off, Shell passed along my real first and last name, where I lived and IRL information to Lauren for no apparent logical reason. Leah participated in posting IRL information about me on the forum as well. Shell, Leah and other admins repeatedly lied to anyone who cared to read about me, saying I had done a number of things that were simply not true at all. They made every effort to make me look like a terrible person. In return? I did not 'out' them. I did not take any revenge. I certainly told anyone who asked the truth about the situation, but I refused to sink to their level and retaliate. Shell has told some on the internet publicly that she apologized to me for emailing Lauren my IRL info. She did not. She knows many ways to contact me and she has never apologized to me.
And then, Leah and Shell get outed. Many secrets of theirs that they wished to remain secrets start creeping out. While I do not think it is right to out people, I must admit that it is difficult for me to feel bad for them. Do they deserve to be outed? Maybe. Maybe not. Is it okay to out them? I don't know if it is okay, but it sure as hell sounds like k a r m a is biting them on the ass.
Pink
pinklink2@yahoo.com
After you have another drink................. you should check your email Lauren.............. Have a safe trip......................
Maybe Pink could verify Leah's name? Leah participated in outing Pink, didn't she?
I wrote a post, it disappeared.
I wrote another one, confirmed that it was published, came back and refreshed the site, and my post disappeared. Neither posts outed anyone or contained profanity.
??? Wtf?
Email me at pinklink2@yahoo.com
Pink
Here again is the second post that I published:
Hey, I wrote a big long post but it disappeared. Grr.
Do I think it is okay to out people? In theory, no. I am against it. I have good reasons for wishing to remain somewhat anonymous online and these reasons are perfectly innocent and valid. I am quite sure others have good reasons that are perfectly innocent sometimes too.
However, after having my reputation tarnished when I was innocent, had Shell disseminate my IRL personal information to someone she didn't even know, been unjustly accused of wrongdoings that I had no part in, and had Leah participate in publishing personal information about me online I must say that it is difficult for me to feel sorry for either Shell or Leah. Shell and Leah both repeatedly shown us that they lack integrity, the situation can be summed up in simple terms. Karma can sure be a bitch.
I won't confirm or deny Leah's IRL info or anyone's IRL info. During all of the bullshit drama surrounding me being booted from the forum simply because NATL, a founding forum member in good standing, asked to have her membership dis-continued, I have only had my integrity to stand on. For example, I had proof that many things that Leah and Shell said about me were not true, but if I had published the proof it would have 'outed' them. I wouldn't out them then, I won't now. My integrity is one of the few things I have left.
Pink
pinklink2@yahoo.com
No, I did not participate in outing Pink. I wouldn't out anyone on the www. It's not my information to share. I wouldn't want it done to me and I wouldn't do it to anyone else.
Lauren, I would love a copy of the other email to check the header although I think yahoo encrypts IPs. I don't use yahoo as it doesn't play nice with my email client.
I myself have no proof, only my gut but encourage the owner of beyondmckmama.info to be looked into. She has a copy of the board at her disposal. I have no idea why she keeps it up. She knew more about members than I did as the owner of the forum and enjoyed being a conspiracist (her own words). I don't own the forum any longer and don't wish to.
I honestly don't mind you guys discussing my alleged transgressions. However, whomever said I've made snide remarks about Lauren's grandchildren is wrong. I actually teared up because I wouldn't say such things. Why would I or anyone else? I am not mean spirited and children are off limits.
I stick to the forum. I have family and a life. I live outside this computer and yes of course my family is sacred. Isn't yours?
I don't mean to post and add fuel to the fire. I'm an open book. My email is leah.mwoptalk@gmail.com or the one posted above. I've always tried to remain transparent and this is no different.
Here is the header to the email posted above. I'd post a screenshot if I knew how.
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.143.32.9 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2011 18:37:36
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:37:36
Delivered-To: anonymomma4internet@gmail.com
Message-ID: BANLkTikZyw9UiQp5KF48GDcZGRD7EB+2GA@mail.gmail.com
Subject: Hello
From: Anon Internet anonymomma4internet@gmail.com
To: twinsmomlauren@yahoo.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502cbfd0460f604a2f61e5b
--00504502cbfd0460f604a2f61e5b
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I asked a legit question. No profanity. It was asked because I don't want to assume things, and there was no "outing" in it at all. When people aren't allowed to ask questions, they have no choice but to assume things.
Lauren, I thought you disliked people assuming things on MWoP? Why breed that here? Only "bullies" assume things, right?
Karey
Leah: Yahoo doesn't encrypt IPs, or they didn't in 2008. I was able to figure out that someone I didn't want nosing through my journal was actually nosing through my journal via an IP left behind from his Yahoo.com email he sent me.
I was always told that gmail.com encrypts IPs or masks them.
Karey
Karey, you are right. I tried posting the header from Lauren's reply to me 3xs last night (x'ing out Lauren's IP). It kept saying comment published but when I refreshed it wasn't there. I thought I'd looked at a yahoo header before but I guess I didn't look close enough. So the IP to the other emails Lauren received are in the headers.
Lauren, you might want to consider switching your email to gmail.
Why the heck were my comments deleted? I didn't out anyone and for once, I didn't even cuss. :-(
Lauren, you need to keep it real here otherwise the purpose of this site is worthless.
You know Lauren I used to have a lot of respect for you, you made people realize who the main mods at the MWOP were, and pushed them to step down. Why is Leah any different? She is even more manipulative then Violet and Shell, as a former blog and forum member I was one of the people who was checked up on by Leah. She compared IPs against those at the blog, making sure people only have one sign in name. She banned people without just cause and I have a feeling she is hiding something big. So why are you protecting her? Why all the comment deletions? This place has lost all credibility, unless those posts are put back up.
Dj
Hysterical that Leah comes to defend herself and says she is transparent and her life is an open book. Yet you're posting under a different name. You tell some people you are married and others you are a single mom. One kids? Two kids? Three kids? Who know, but you have said all three. Sometimes they are boys. Sometimes they are girls. Something they are some of each. Sometimes you have a job. Sometimes you're in school. And then to provide an email address so you can control the spin? Whatever. No one said you have to spill your personal life, but you actively tell stories that aren't true to keep people from looking for you. There must be a huge skeleton in your closet with all the damage control you run. JM's private life has been put under a microscope and now the tables are turned. There is that karma thing again.........
Poor silly stupid Leah, really you are trying to get the focus off of you onto the owner of another board? How about this one Leah? http://mckmamafacts.info/
Why look there is even a site meter on there now...
Ok this is my 2 cents on this whole thing and I am not doing it to defend anyone or to denounce what people are saying because quite honestly I dont know the interactions between others.
There was about a month period of time when we didnt have internet access here at the house or where I watch the kids. I dont know what all went on when the whole take over thing happened at the forum and Leah was kicked out by Shell and others.
I do know that I kept getting emails about a new forum being up but couldnt get to the forum from my phone. When we got internet back up I was able to go and see the 'new' forum, now mind you by this time the original forum was back up and running with Leah.
On the new forum all of my log in information was still there and I was able to get right in, this tells me that whoever did take it over and start it up did in fact have everyone's information prior to the take over. Upon reading the comments that were on there at that point it was all about people asking for their information to be removed and their accounts deactivated because they did not want to be a member of that site. The person running that forum was 'Margaret'. Honestly I still havent got a clue as to who Margaret is or where she came from.
In my opinion it is very possible that this person was in fact the one who has sent Tina information as she would have everyone's information from the original forum. I know that if I was giving out people's information I would want to make sure I was doing so under the cover of someone who is already under fire that way the guns dont get aimed at me.
So like I said that is my 2 cents. Take it or leave it but dont rip me to shreds for tossing that out there. It is my point of view from what I have seen on my end and I am not saying that other people's opinions or experiences are wrong just throwing out another possibility.
What a f'ing riot Leah.
"I stick to the forum. I have family and a life. I live outside this computer and yes of course my family is sacred. Isn't yours?"
Seriously now. Your family is sacred? What about Pink's family? What about Mari's family? What about the forum users that you found their personal blogs based on their email addresses they used to sign up in your forum? Are their families sacred? You said all personal information was private but you used it to try to figure out who is who. Hypocritical b*tch.
"I don't mean to post and add fuel to the fire. I'm an open book. My email is leah.mwoptalk@gmail.com or the one posted above. I've always tried to remain transparent and this is no different. "
Ah yes an open book. Whatever. You are an open book as long as you get to control the narrative. You tell people what you think they want to hear in order to be friends with them. Oh you have a sick kid? Me too! OMG they've had the exact same procedures! You have all boys? Me too! You have all girls? Me too! You're a single mom? Me too! You're married? Me too! Give me a break Shanna every word that comes out of your mouth is a lie.
Screw your integrity. You want to protect your private life to such an extent you are willing to sell out anyone and everyone to protect whatever secrets you are hiding. What a horrible way to live.
Glad your family is sacred Shanna. How about JM's? How about Pink's? How about Violet's? How about Mari's? How about Shell's? How about CeeCee or whatever her name is now? You have behaved at least as bad as other bullies. But *your family is sacred. Talk about delusions of greatness and hypocrisy.
Lauren please return the other comments that have been deleted.
Funny all this bullying going on at a blog about bullying. Those of you jumping on the dog pile need to own your words and post with the username that people know you by. It's really easy to hide behind anonymity. Makes you brave, doesn't it?
Good job, Lauren. Can't imagine how pleased you are with all this. Who's the bully now?
Hi, My name is Alex Hilson and I have always posted with my name. Smecky, since you are going on and on about anonymity, who are you? Can you stand in front of the bullying comments you make with a real name?
I'm sorry Alex, I didn't see you on the dog pile I was referring to. I also didn't ask for anyone's real name - I asked for usernames. Neither did I go "on and on" but since you asked, Smecky is the name I post with everywhere. Sorry if you were offended by my post Alex but I can't really see where it pertains to you.
That's funny "Smecky"
Anon 6:36
I know, "Anon 6:36"
I emailed Concerned Collector at her yahoo address to find out more and this was the response I received. I am not posting the IP because my research indicates it was sent from a proxy.
Here is the email:
From: Alex Hilson
To: concernedcollector@yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, July 3, 2011 5:13:17 PM
Subject: curious bystander
I am a new member on the various MWOP/Bully boards. Lauren posted your email about some IP addresses and I was wondering what all of it is really about. I do not know enough about this history to make all of the connections, but was wondering what is going on... it has sure caused an uproar.
Sincerely,
Alex Hilson
___________________________
from Concerned Collector concernedcollector@yahoo.com
to Alex Hilson
date Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:13 PM
subject Re: curious bystander
Dear Alex,
I come in peace. I am not now nor have i ever been a mod or admin. I am a third party who was given a file of IP & other identifying information & I chose to share it a tidbit to see how valuable it was. When I realized that there were people on various blogs lying about their identity & maintaining multiple member accounts, i decided to pass on some of that information.
Don't you think it is odd that so many mods have just "disappeared?" According to my files, they are still there, with different names, continuing to post. In my case, i am an example of someone who received all of this information from a mod who was threatened.
For now, I dropped this little tidbit of information to see how valuable it is and now i am shopping it around. Alex are you interested in it?
I still come in peace,
Concerned Collector
Ummm...OK - I bid $20
Carmen
Smecky, I am not offended, I was just wondering who you are... so far many of the posts with you name on them sound a bit like a bully to me.
Concerned Collector,
The only mod I know of that was threatened was Shell. Are you saying Shell gave you the file?
Anon 6:36
Concerned Collector, you are so full of crap it isn't even funny. You come in peace, sure that is why you are attempting to stir the pot.
Dj
"I am not posting the IP because my research indicates it was sent from a proxy."
Nosy me wants to know why you'd mind posting the IP, *especially if it comes from a proxy?
Shannon, you made a good point up there...anyone know anything about this Margaret?
And I'm still really miffed about my posts being removed when I didn't break any rules that I'm aware of.
Lisa do you mind repeating generally what your post was about? I,too, am curious why so many were deleted?
Smecky,
Once comments have been deleted from a Google blog such as this one, they cannot be replaced unless the admin saved them in email and copies and pastes them in a new post or comment thread. I think this is true for all blog/journal comments.
Karey
Anon 6:13, someone suggested Leah was someone I used to know and like. I expressed surprise about that and mentioned I didn't even know she was still around in the blog world. Then someone else corrected the person who said she was Leah, saying she wasn't. I think I said something to the effect of being glad to hear that. Sorry, don't recall word for word. And I said something about names being given and how GM and Tina had put mine out there on FWOP ages ago and I didn't care, but probably would have cared had I had young children at home. Again, something to that effect. I didn't cuss, I didn't out anyone, I didn't even gossip or take sides...sheeeesh.
Smecky = Long Time Lurker from the forum and the board. She posts as Smecky, but had a disclaimer she was Long Time Lurker.
Hopefully the "mod assistant" who is approving comments just got a little delete happy and Lauren will repost them later.
Carmen
Karey,
Thanks for the info but I'm not the one who asked.
Anon 6:25,
Yep, that's me. Might I ask who you are on the forum/board?
Margaret is in tight with Shell. When Shell tried to take over the forum and was later ousted she & Margaret tried to start a new "forum" with Shell being a silent partner. Margaret has ALL the FILES, IP's ....everything. Meanwhile Shell has tried numerous times to throw Leah under the bus about "exposing" people. Common sense in all this nonsense is knowing past behaviour predicts future behaviour.....Well Shell's past is all DRAMA & TROUBLE, and her name is written all over this. She wants control & is pissed that she was basically pushed off the blog, there was no threat made to Shell or her family. PERIOD.
Okay, so on the mwoptalks forum, who is the mod known as mom2chsk? Is that shell?
Hey anon 6:41 aka Leah, nice try putting the blame back onto Shell. Sorry sweetheart, this time you are finally getting called out for your extremely shady past. If your life is such an open book what are you afraid of?
Gina Marie
NIce try Shanna, I mean, um, Anon 6:41. Shell already admitted to giving Margaret the files and the domain name and then walking away. Do you have proof of what you're saying or are you trying to take the glare off of you? I'll double Carmen's $20 up there that says you don't. Little shakin' in your boots about what we might find if we go looking?
Lisa, aka AP - mom2chsk is one of the original forum members. She got tight with Leah and Orange when Leah claimed she was leaving and wanted new admins. As far as I know she isn't Shell simply because they used to chat in the forum chat together and I don't think it is possible to live chat with your sock puppet, but who the heck knows anymore.
Anon 6:36
Hmmm.... "Leah" sends Lauren an email (cited above) that says I am no longer affiliated with the forum or blog.
"Leah" then posts a comment here that says I stick to the forum.
So which is it? You aren't on the blog or the forum? Or just on the forum? Lies just pour out of your mouth don't they? Why should anyone trust anything you say at this point?
Here is the IP. Have at it ladies.
69.60.122.192
Sorrento, FL. Static IP from a corporate account. Area code 352 I couldn't care less but that's what the IP locator I plugged it into came up with.
Thanks, Alex, and for the record, if it sounded like I was challenging you about that or anything, I'm sorry. I wasn't, but when I reread it, I wondered if it could sound that way.
Anon 6:36, thanks for the info. In one of those really weird, internet small world moments, I discovered mom2chsk and I have a mutual friend (totally trusted on my part...have known her for maybe 10 years) who has absolutely nothing to do with any of this at all, doesn't have a blog, nothing. How odd is that?
I am glad I am not the only one who reads Leah's post and is able to see how rife with ridiculousness it is. . . (Yes I recognize the poor construction of that sentence.)
I don't understand the mystery person with forum files and such? Is this person trying to sell the info? Or trying to blackmail people who would like to remain anonymous? Help me out here folks.
Happy Fourth!
Pink
pinklink2@yahoo.com
Jesus H. Christ, Nancy Drews! Will you all get a life and celebrate the 4th of July with your families? Buy a box of fireworks and throw a steak or burger on a grill. We're all doing it!! LOL! Heck, Lauren's on holiday!
Smecky,
I know, but you were the last one to ask, so I thought I'd address you and hope others would see it and stop asking the admin to restore the comments. I wasn't singling you out, I promise!
Carmen,
Comments are automatically posted. No one is approving them. If that were the case, we'd never see that comments are being deleted, because they would never be published to begin with. Someone is logging into Blogger/Google as an admin and deleting comments. It may be Lauren. I don't know who else has "blog admin" privileges. If it were non-anon comments or comments made with a personal Blogger/Google account, we'd see that the comment was deleted by the author of said comment. Anon comments cannot be deleted by anyone other than the blog admin.
Karey
Weird. My comment disappeared. Good thing I'm screen capping them on the blog as I make them!
My comment:
Smecky,
I know, but you were the last one to ask, so I thought I'd address you and hope others would see it and stop asking the admin to restore the comments. I wasn't singling you out, I promise!
Carmen,
Comments are automatically posted. No one is approving them. If that were the case, we'd never see that comments are being deleted because they would never be published to begin with. Someone is logging into Blogger/Google as an admin and deleting comments. [omitting the INNOCENT QUESTION THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE REASON MY COMMENT WAS DELETED]/ If it were a non-admin, or someone deleting their own comment, it would say the comment was deleted by the author. Only admins can delete anon comments.
Karey
Hmm.
My comment disappeared AGAIN. I'm not seeing the "deleted" text, so maybe it's not an admin? Anyone else's comments disappearing?
Lauren, if you or another admin aren't doing this, then I apologise for suspecting you for deleting comments. I have saved all of my comments as screen caps, as they are posted, so if Lauren of anyone else wants to see them, just ask and leave an email address.
Nothing to hide,
Karey
Anon 12:38, I've never been one to do things just because "We're all doing it!!"
Happy 4th, everyone. Anon 12:38, my son is asleep, my mom doesn't feel well, so I'm going to Walmart. Maybe I'll buy some steaks, though. Thanks for the idea. ;-)
to anonymous 10:41pm who says Florida is where the IP is
looks like I keyed it into my locator incorrectly. If that is what comes up for you, then that's cool.
It would be some much easier to respond if you guys would sign your posts.
Karey,
When I originally posted here on this forum, I used my gmail address and setup an account. Then when I posted comments, they disappeared. Now I just use the name/url profile option and everything posts just fine.
Don't know if the situation is similar for you, but it solved my problem.
-Alex
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