Do you think MWOP and blogs like MWOP do any good?
Do you think they just make the blog they are against more popular?
Do you think they hold the blog they talk about accountable?
Do you think there is a better way to go about it?
I'd really love to hear what others have to say....
I actually think they add fuel to the fire. I believe that the original MWOP did some good and kept the communication on that blog in check. I noticed many of the top comments that MWOP deleted and I liked the fact that MWOP kept her personal feelings out of the blog.
I believe that the original reason for MWOP was to have a place people could voice their opinion and not be censored and I always felt this was needed. This was even before Mckmama had facebook and the only way to comment was on her blog, which at that time she allowed NO negative comments, and her Blogfrog. Now it appears negative comments are allowed....I know many are banned but I believe many of the banned I would ban also.
I'd love to hear what your thoughts are.
I've noticed that in the comments lately we have had many new people come over and join the conversation and I would like to ask that you sign your comment with a name to make it easier for everyone to follow the conversation. It becomes very confusing with all the anon and it helps others answer questions if they have a name to direct the answer towards the person who asked.
177 comments:
I think they do some good, but at some point mwop has crossed a line and I think they now do more harm than good. At some point it when from fact finding to almost middle school like behavior and picking apart anything and everything from her clothing, her children's clothing, the food they eat and everything in between. It has become a place where opinions are taken as fact and judgments are wild and free without any common sense applied at times.
I've read other anti sites and for the most part, they all include some childish behavior, but it is often and quickly frowned upon.
I think people forget that this is entertainment and the if you don't like the blog, hate the blog, are frustrated by the blog or any other adjective other than entertained, then the simple solution is a clear as that little X up in the corner of the screen.
Anonwalker
I thought the first MWOP was good in the beginning. It listed the factual stuff and let people make their own judgements. I think what happened is after you get past the factual stuff there was nothing else and in an effort to stay current they had to go into nitpicking because you can only discuss DV and Foreclosures so much before it gets boring.
-P
MWOP 1 did serve a purpose back in the day. No Question that it brought A LOT of JM lies to the surface and made her be more accountable. So yes, I do believe these blogs can do good. The way MWOP is run now however, is a very different story. It's all assumptions, speculating & "mean girl" behaviour. The blog as of late has even made me feel sorry for Jen......cringing here.........if you can believe it. It's nice to have this blog to vent at least. Not a fan of JM, but cannot condone the behaviour of MWOP blog.I do think that MWOP does drive more traffic to jm's blog also. I think if mwop left her alone she would be just another boring mommy blogger, it gets old quick.
Darcy
I like the idea of having a place where you can ask questions or just voice your opinion on certain blogs.
I read Heather Sphor's blog. I like her and feel so bad for what happened to her family. There have been some posts that I would love to comment on (not relating to her daughter's death) as I have questions. I have seen people question Heather on some issues or just say something that she thinks is meant to harm her. Her fans jump all over this person. I am afraid to be tracked down and hunted all over the internet.
I have to disagree that many of the people who are banned are people who deserved it. I'm not actually banned but I have had several truly innocent comments that were not allowed on JM's site. For example, once there were a couple of people going back and forth at one another about something (don't remember what) and I posted a comment along the lines of "why do we have to be so hateful to one another? Why can't we voice opposing opinions with respect?" and my comment was posted and then immediately deleted. Why?? I asked JM during one of her chats and she said she didn't allow certain comments from habitual offenders. WTH?? I NEVER post hateful things. EVER. It was at that point that I realized she really loved the drama and she loves it when her "fans" attack. That seems so wrong, coming from someone who claims to be a Christian. I'm a Christian and I don't wanna have any part in encouraging people to be so hateful towards one another.
-A
"Do you think MWOP and blogs like MWOP do any good?"
I think they do, when handled as the original MWOP was. Sadly, there are many people out there, women mostly, who are quick to idolize, for lack of a better word, the authors of many blogs. They look up to the authors, want to be like them, live like them, etc., and I think that many of these women are left sad and dissatisfied, unhappy, with their own lives when comparing themselves up against JM and others like her because they are taking her word as gospel. Now let's face it, it takes a weak-minded person, imo, anyway, to fall victim to that mentality but many do. If blogs like this and others, if people like Tina, want to protect people, why not protect *these people, true innocents who maybe lack a little upstairs or are just very unworldly, from unnecessary hurt by showing them what they are reading isn't always so and backing it up factually?
"Do you think they just make the blog they are against more popular?"
Sure, they do that, too. It's sort of a sign of success in the blog world, at least among many, to have an anti-site, isn't it?
"Do you think they hold the blog they talk about accountable?"
If done well, yes...but it's so easy to do it poorly, as we've seen.
"Do you think there is a better way to go about it?"
Newp, I don't.
And what AW said here? "I think people forget that this is entertainment and the if you don't like the blog, hate the blog, are frustrated by the blog or any other adjective other than entertained, then the simple solution is a clear as that little X up in the corner of the screen." This is very true, regardless of which side you're on. That's why I lay little stock in online "bullying", especially of the blog sort. We all have the option to click off and walk away, unlike some forms of "real life", for lack of a better term, bullying.
I think they do a service to a point. MWoP has lost that service. It used to be a good place to go and read and learn about the truth behind some things happening on JM's site/life. BUT, it loses all credibility when a majority of the posts are about how fat and ugly they think JM is. When they start in on how awful her photography is, etc, etc....I tune out.
When they put up info on things that haven't been vetted properly and post after post ends up having to be retracted because it isn't true then what is the point? Are you there just to bitch about someone or reveal REAL TRUTHFUL information? Because those are two different things.
Blogs like MWoP have a place on the interwebs but only if they can keep themselves in check. Clearly that is an issue there.
JD
A,
I think truly innocent is in the eye of the beholder. I don't truly know why bloggers allow some comments and not others, but ultimately the choice is theirs.
Does it also seems wrong for one Christian to judge another Christian?
Do you participate in mwop?
Anonwalker
Anonwalker,
No I don't participate there. I have read at all three places from time to time, but I don't participate at MWOP. I no longer comment on JM's blog either.
My opinion of MWOP is a whole 'nother discussion. I don't agree with much of what they do.
Yes, I do think it's wrong for Christians to judge one another. I try not to do that but I can see how my perception of JM is teetering on the edge of judging her. I need to work on that. What she does is none of my business, nor is the nature of her "Christian" status any of my business. If it's not my business then I guess it shouldn't matter to me. That's why I stopped commenting. I'm not sure why I pointed it out on here either. lol
I guess I'm just saying you never know what goes on "behind the screens." Some things are justified I'm sure, but I know that some things aren't.
I know what was in my heart when I commented there, and I know I had never said anything bad. I rarely even commented at all. So it really hurt when my well-intended comment got deleted. That's all I'm trying to say.
-A
I wanted to add that there were some other commenters at JM's blog with similar names, one who commented with the SAME name, so maybe she got me confused with someone else? I don't know. I guess that's a possibility.
-A
I agree with pretty much everything that has been said above.
Although I believe that unless they're posting unchecked data as facts and are seriously harming JM's reputation (3rd foreclosure being top of the list) that they're mostly really helping JM.
Let's face it, both sites are feeding off each other, creating more clicks for one another.
While I wouldn't go as far as to agree that JM is baiting them specifically, her 'followers' love a good drama just as much as the MWoPers do. So I'm sure that JM let's some of the inciting comments stand and leaves them to hack it out among each other.
It also doesn't bother me that MWoP at times does not have anything more scandalous to discuss than clothes, photographs, etc. But it probably bothers the mods, because that's the moment when posters start complaining about boredom. That's probably why they can't be bothered with thourough research, they need big news quick in order to keep the fire of hate burning.
My main problem is that I think that all the commenters with integrity and intelligence have flown the coop, leaving behind only the real irrational haters.
Reading there used to frustrate me but now I've reached a point where the mere existence of those ladies almost scares me. They are literally blinded by hatred and that guides their every judgement in all matters JM. There are maybe 3 posters that have occassional moments of logical clarity, but the majority could not grasp reason if you hit them over the head with it. (Good example remains the exchange that drove away 'our' Lisa.)
While I don't fear for JM's safety with them, the extend of their hatred for her IS scary to watch. On any given internet communication place (message boards, blogs, etc.), stuff that creates drama is always the most popular, so I don't think MWoP's behaviour was in any way outstanding. But the remaining posters are now not there for the drama anymore, they're there for the blind hate.
And just for the record: posts like the current ones, where the listing of joy allows a glimpse into their real lifes they're kind of demonstrating that Lauren might have been right after all in regards to the jealousy. When reading about their lifes I can't help but think that most of them are exactly like what they critize JM the most for. Unemployed, more than average amount of kids, fraudulent liars, broke, thrown out foreclosed homes, etc.
It could very well be that most of those that are left there are ticked off by the fact that JM seems to be thriving (or at least be in possession of nice and expensive things) where they are not. Scary indeed.
Kate that's how I see it. They may not think they are jealous but I think they very well are and it's because somehow, through all the horrible things in her life, she's managed to come out on top and I think that confuses people. In order to understand they start to nitpick and try to find the holes in the story, maybe she didn't come out on top, she just lies. Honestly I just think she weathered the storms rather well and in the end that's a good thing.
People really should start focusing on their own storms they have to weather and making better for themselves.
Kate:
Thanks for saying this in a way I never could.
I also noticed over the last few weeks when the comments at MWOP began to be more about the posters personal lifes I noticed all the saddness. Sick ex husbands, mental illness, lost jobs, lost homes, selling everything of value and moving, sick children and the list just went on and on.
For me it was a mmoment that I actually felt so sorry for these ladies. It truly explained where the HATE came from and I actually felt relief that it had a reason...you see I'm just like that, it has to make sense to me. Now of course all of these things are no reason to HATE someone else, but I understand how someone could feel that way.
I also noticed how many of the ladies at MWOP had sick children. It made me began to wonder if they didn't begin to become jealous at all the help and attention Mckmama received during Stellan's illness. I mean if you are a mother with a sick child spending day after day in a hospital alone. Next, you read Mckmama, and she is bragging about massages, hotel rooms and so many gifts she can't count...I could see that someone would be jealous.
The other thing I believe is true about this entire Mckmama/jealousy thing is that some people find it difficult to own that they are jealous. I believe they would rather someone view it as HATE than jealousy? Maybe they feel being jealous is weak?
Someone other there pointed out that her blog is her business. It might be classified as entertainment to some, but in reality it's how she makes money.
If her blog were a brick and mortar store and it cheated you (fictional orange bracelets for example) wouldn't you be shouting it from the rooftops?
I am not saying how they are going about it is right, just I think I can understand the why behind it. We went through hell and back with Lowes. We actually had to take them to court and they got the slap down hard by the judge for their actions, both in our home and in the courtroom. Lowes lied, manipulated the system, and did everything in their power to not take responsibility for their actions that made our home unlivable. Don't think for a moment I won't passionately tell someone thinking of using Lowes about our experience.
Why is her blog (or really any monetized blog) any different? Lowes is in business to make money. Jennifer blogs to make money. Why is she held to a different standard?
Lucy
Lauren said:
"I also noticed how many of the ladies at MWOP had sick children. It made me began to wonder if they didn't begin to become jealous at all the help and attention Mckmama received during Stellan's illness. I mean if you are a mother with a sick child spending day after day in a hospital alone. Next, you read Mckmama, and she is bragging about massages, hotel rooms and so many gifts she can't count...I could see that someone would be jealous."
Maybe it isn't jealousy of the STUFF, but maybe it's her ATTITUDE that God loves Stellan more and that's why He "cured" him? That is a slap in the face of all mothers and especially those of us with chronically ill children.
Lucy
A,
Thank you for your clarification. I have comments not posted on different blogs from time to time and I know my intentions were also the best, but without tone, I think it's hard to tell. It does sound like you are judging a person based on this issue, I'm not sure that is fair, but I'm not sure judging a person's life based on a blog is fair either.
Anonwalker
Kate - Well said and sometimes the hatred of people in general scares the heck out of me. I can't imagine having so much anger and frustration.
Lucy,
The analogy to a brick and mortar store isn't accurate, it is more of a straw man. You aren't buying anything by visiting a blog, you are not directly purchasing a product. Think of a blog like a big commercial. If you didn't like a commercial on tv/radio, what would you do? I would tune it out or change the channel. There isn't a tangible hold in your hands product that these types of blogs are selling, so the same rules don't apply.
No, I wouldn't be shouting from the rooftops if I didn't get my orange bracelets. In general I turn down perks received for monies donated. I also don't expect any return on my prayers, gifts or anything I freely give.
Anonwalker.
Lucy,
I've read JM's blog for a long period of time and that is one thing I never understand because I haven't ever seen that attitude, it has certainly never been stated to my knowledge.
Anonwalker
Lauren,
Yes, I agree with you about their situations vs. JM's. Also that being jealous might be perceived as less weak than hate. (Good point with the children, btw., I didn't feel comfortable to touch on such a sensitive subject, it's easier for me to concentrate on the financial failures...)
But I'm really afraid that most of them may have joined MWoP out of initial jealousy (which is still there) an then it has turned into much more.
I think anon 12:11 (Please make up a name?) has an excellent point with
'it's because somehow, through all the horrible things in her life, she's managed to come out on top and I think that confuses people. In order to understand they start to nitpick and try to find the holes in the story, maybe she didn't come out on top, she just lies.'
I really believe that their quest for finding fault with JM has become so all-consuming that it's turned into real hate for JM.
Case in point: A while back you asked if we thought that the poster who created the temporary webpage for the sighting of the McK's RV was the very same mod over there who likes to read here as well (*waves*). That got me thinking & I checked on that posters 'contributions' to MWoP and I believe you may have a point there (again). Said poster only made a few real comments, most of which were immediately 'liked' by the mod. Or it was the only reply to the mod & vice versa. And then poster disappeared for good.
In all honesty, if you're right with that suspicion, take a moment to think about that. Because there's no way that I then believe this sighting was by accident. That's some serious dedication put into it. Hanging out at some truck stop on I-20 (or whereever it was) for hours, zooming in on every passing RV, camper, trailer, etc. That's way beyond jealousy. It's a scary picture, non?
I have to ask about the bracelets out of curiosity. Did a friend not do the bracelets and send them out, and not JM herself? I mean she gets so much flack for these stupid orange bracelets, but did she really have any hand in them besides posting about them on her blog? Also, there is a postal service involved with this distribution and believe me they have lost a fair amount of my mail. Just wondering if there was a third party that handled this??
Sara
Anonwalker,
I'd like to second what Lisa said a few days ago: I think you are top notch. Really great attitude, arguments and articulation.
I fully agree with your reply to Lucy (and everybody else). That big speech about the 'blog is a business' over there almost gave me a headache. Now it's been brought up here as well. Grrr.
Lucy, besides everything Anonwalker has already stated, do you really confirm that your local communities shut down businesses that are less than stellar operated? Your gripe with Lowes aside (I mean, who doesn't share stories of bad customer service with those who are willing to listen?), do local communities put up strike posts in front of brick and mortar businesses when a customer gets short changed?
And most importantly, just like Anonwalker I've never seen that statement that Stellan was healed due to God's favoritism. I've certainly seen it quoted almost daily on MWoP, but never directly on JM's blog. Could you kindly link us up or give a hint of when this was stated?
No offense to you, but until I've actually seen it myself I prefer to err on the side of caution and assume it's one of those clever explanations that they create at MWoP. Which will then be picked up by a whole mop of posters who either can't or won't read through previous comments to find out the real state of affais. Instead they just repeat the most outrageous things over and over.
Call me the Casual Observer.
Hi. I am new here. A few weeks ago, a friend turned me on to McMama, MWOP and all of the various blogs and boards related to this person JM.
I have spent a bit of my spare time reading. And reading. And reading.
As a casual, outside observer, with no horse in this race, I find I need to share an outsider’s view of this very interesting situation.
Let me just say, I have read Tom Clancy novels with less complicated twists, turns, random characters and weird happenings.
It almost reads like a Shakespearean play. We have a cast of characters on stage, focusing on what appears to be a woman looking to make a few bucks off of writing a blog about what admittedly is rather interesting family (or are they?) A child is sick. Characters rush to aid the family in their time of need. More children are born. Along the way, the main character takes on a hobby that seems to evolve into a profession. The chorus chimes in and criticizes the legal, artistic and moral aspects of the main character’s “profession.”
On the side stage, there is a chorus or two (or three or four depending on how many blogs are actively commenting) addressing the audience in fits and spurts (how many blogs? How many admins? Are some admins one in the same?)
Suddenly, there are new characters running in and exposing the main character as a charlatan and a thief (or is she?) Could one of the exposers actually be the main character in disguise? And all around the players is a slew of sheep (or sheeple)hanging on every thing JM posts, lapping it all up like a cult. And then there are the bashers, banks, leinholders, advertisers, gift-givers, court cases, sponsors, angels, devils, customers, landlords, lawyers and a slew of additional choruses, while along the way another chorus is somehow stolen by one of its members.
I know I have probably gotten a lot of this drama wrong. I am certain I have left out things that are very important and I apologize. You see so much of what I read is so confusing, I am not sure who is who and what is what. I don’t think Shakespeare could untwist it all either.
All I know is this who thing is so very, very entertaining.
I probably will not comment much. Its much more fun to just read. And try to figure out who is who and who is pretending to be someone else.
JM has certainly done one thing extremely well. She has gotten a bunch of people all over the world to take loads of time out of their own lives to read, comment, judge, and fight over the tiniest thing she does. What an amazing skill. Too bad so much of it seems to be just that… a drama she has created. With a few prizes, contests, and drama thrown in to feed the sheeple - so the clicks keep coming and the dollars keep flowing.
Lucy:
I can see your point in a way...
At the same time I would have to ask...Did you look for personal info about the owner of Lowe's and post it for all the world to see? I doubt you did or would have...these are the things that I see as being scary. There is a fine line and I know the info was available for all to see but I always felt it was put out on the blog with the intent to tarnish her and her husband. I always felt that was wrong...yes if you felt strong enough about not receiving an orange bracelet contact Mckmama, which many did and she even said she would refund the money in one of her BF Q&A's. What more can she do?
Believe me I have seen things I didn't like and Mckmama knows how I feel about these things...we agreed to disagree and life goes on...but I just HATE to see women putting so much energy into HATING like goes on at MWOP. With that said...I know this doesn't apply to everyone on that site...many have left and many have been vocal about calling others out for the mud slinging.
The other thing I find odd is the amount of time these ladies spend on that site...one day I was curious how much time certain VERY VOCAL MWOP ladies spent and it is shocking....like the time stamp doesn't lie so they were active and online for hours a day. Yet these are the same ladies claiming Mckmama never spends anytime with her kids...she is always online, facebook etc. Well wait a minute...Mckmama is spending all this time because it is her job...just like a mother who works outside the home and is gone for 9 to 10 hours a day. What is their excuse? They can't say MWOP is their job? Again a double standard...yet in the next breath they say she should get a job? Wait..she has a job and she is taking her family with her cause they griped that she was leaving her family all the time. Really she can't win...no matter what she does they find fault so I don't blame her for not answering their questions...no matter what answer she gives it will not be the right answer so why try?
Just this week they are griping about the pictures showing M undies...yet Kelle hampton had naked pictures again of her baby this week? Yet no one thinks a thing about Kelle hampton because they like her...again double standard!
Casual Observer:
WELCOME...
I do believe you have just decribed what I believe the book Mckmama has written will be about....
The drama that has come out of the Mckmama saga is a Lifetime Movie in the making...
I believe the Stellan Story was not enough for a book and the MWOP drama sealed the deal for her in regards to a book. I also believe the reason she has let it go on and on is she needed the drama for the book....now I do believe the ending will be her taking legal action towards the sites and individuals who have caused her to lose money with sponsors and ads.
Sara:
I do believe a few friends handled the bracelets and I think one of the friends posted at MWOP when she was told her name was mentioned. I can't really say what happened because I had no vested interest in that.
I do know that in a Q & A on BF Mckmama was asked about it and said if someone who had not received their bracelet would let her know she would either see if any were left or refund their money. No one on MWOP said they responded to her and I really have to wonder how many really had paid for bracelets and not received them? Sometimes people jump on the bandwagon and just like to gripe!!!
Casual Observer,
Thanks for that. It actually made me laugh out loud. I sure hope you do comment some more and not be a read-only guest.
Sara - From what I have read is that someone 3rd party handled them. I love google, here is a link: http://mycharmingkids.net/2008/08/stellans-bracelets/
Kate - Thank you (and Lisa), you make me blush.
Casual Observer - Thank you for the laugh out loud moment and I totally agree with you about the entertainment and talent points.
Lauren - I agree, I can't imagine the time spent there either and she will never win with this group of people and I'm glad she doesn't try.
I saw the latest gripe about M and her picture, I had to look at the thing like 4 times before I figured out what they heck the mod was talking about and that was after I had already read the post. I also don't understand the google searches of the post titles. Who does that? I also noticed the totally naked pictures on KH and the shirtless ones on PW lately.
Anonwalker
anon 12:11
I think you hit the nail on the head!
I believe time and time again these ladies would say things like...how can she do it all? I believe many of these women felt like they had failed as mothers because they couldn't do it all. What they didn't see behind the blog was that Mckmama had help..someone to clean and fold clothes and babysit etc. Not that it wass Mckmamas obligation to tell everyone she had help...but these younger moms felt like when they found out she had help they were angry...Like why did I feel so bad about myself..like Mckmama had lied to them. Just like her bio and the way she discribed herself...most moms would read that and be like...wait...I must not be a good mom if I don't co-sleep, breastfeed, babywear, etc etc
I've always said I think it would be interesting to do a graph of age, # of children and economic status and compile the data for the MWOP site and I believe that more than 70% would fall in the same category. If you have read the personal stories and followed the info they have shared...it speaks for itself! It actually makes PERFECT sense as to why they cannot see that their anger is misplaced and how silly their actions seem.
I guess if she writes the book about all this drama maybe seeing their words in print might be a wake-up call of how silly they have been.
I also have wondered if many of them have thought about what if she does write the book and actually list their real names...what will their friends and family think if she goes on the Today Show to promote it and friends see their names as haters? Something to think about that is for sure....I know they always say Mckmama's children will one day read all this on the Internet about her...well their children will also read about them...just sayin!
Casual,
Do I know you?
-Pamala
Anonwalker:
I agree I enjoyed reading what Casual Observer wrote and thought...wow..is she the publisher for Mckmama's book? LOL
{giggle}
Yes Casual Observer please share more....I love the humor!
Lauren,
Jennifer asked people to purchase the bracelets. I did. I never received the dozen I ordered. I emailed her several times asking about them and I never heard a response from her. In her live chat she asked people to contact her and she would refund the money. Three emails since then have gone ignored. Her actions, at least in this instence, are different than her words. I feel as though she stole from me.
You asked if I would have looked up information on Lowes. We did. We took them to court. There was a discovery period before it went to trial. Yes, our attorneys looked up everything they could find on Lowes and the "gentlemen" who "worked" in our home. The information came out in trial and is now a matter of public record for anyone who wants to read the trial transcripts.
Lowes was literally hundreds of thousands of dollars so there was never any doubt in our minds we would seek restitution. Jennifer Mckinney didn't steal enough money from me to take her to court to seek restitution. But you can bet I'm going to read a blog where other people who have been stolen from by her participate even if I don't always agree with it.
Lucy
I'm not touching this one...
Holy Crap! Seriously? It's a bracelet, that you bought for CHARITY! If you didn't receive them, then that is crappy. But how many years ago was this? At some point you really need to put it behind you. I do not think Jen could do anything now to make you happy anyways. She did apologize and out of the THOUSANDS that did in fact receive them, i would say that's pretty good odds. I do NOT think she was trying to swindle you or pull a fast one. She did the best she could at the time. "When you know better, you do better". Say what you will about Stellan and how sick he was or wasn't, that bracelet campaign was a huge undertaking and I truly think at the time she bit off more then she could chew. Remember that was at the height of her popularity and there was literally thousands of people placing orders. I'm not trying to make excuses for her cause of course you should of received them, but at some point you need to tell yourself that you bought those to help a family with a sick child and look at it like a gift. Hanging onto this bracelet thing cannot be healthy.
Lucy,
Did you contact paypal for a refund? Did you contact the person who was in charge of the bracelets?
You spent hundreds of thousands of dollars at Lowe's? The do it yourself home improvement store?
Anonwalker
Whoa. Didn't mean to erase my comment. I am the person that was called out for correcting someone's grammar. As I said before it wasn't meant to be mean, it is a pet peeve of mine. I apologize to the person I said it to. Believe me, I know I'm not perfect.
That being said, I found WMOP maybe 2 weeks ago, it may have been 3. Since that time I made some comments that, while weren't mean, were pretty nit picky. Of course I also said I was leaning in the direction of JM telling the truth about the foreclosure, something didn't seem right about the detective work on that one.
While JM has said and done things that have angered me, or made me question her, I don't hate the woman. And some of the stuff people are complaining about seem rather nit picky to me.
I have decided not to comment on WMOP any longer, about stupid nit picky stuff anyway.I think that until JM lies about something big, or does something seriously questionable that things should calm down over there. I mean who cares if she's not nursing any more but says, or implies, she does? Really?
H
Anon 3.27,
I have worked as volunteer in my local area and you would be surprised at how angry people get over benefits with a charitable donation. I had a couple totally upset over their free umbrella that didn't last a year and demanded a replacement.
I agree that the person should have received their bracelets but to be still upset 3 years later? I can't imagine.
Anonwalker
Heather,
How do you know that she isn't nursing anymore?
Anonwalker
Anonwalker
That's what I'm saying. I don't know. And who cares if she is or isn't anymore. I guess I worded that wrong.
H
nonwalker, THANK YOU so much for your words of wisdom on judging. I just hate to see people on the internet being so judgmental, don't you?
xyz
Lauren, will you be included in mckmama's book? You admitted here on this site that you contacted BlogHer about her.
Heather:
Sorry I used your post about grammer and it was nothing personal...I understand it is something that upsets you but the person who got picked on was someone NOT agreeing with MWOP and I see regular posters who have misspelled words all the time and no ones says a thing. My post was about how petty in the grand scheme of things it seems...I mean really would you call out your childs teacher in public or your mother or husband. I understand you may say something private but to make fun of someone over spelling seemed rude. Now of course this is my opinion and believe me I have seen Not Shelmo (who likes to do this) misspell words all the time and as much as I would like to call her out...I don't because I don't see the point in making someone feel bad about themselves. My opinion is I might send them an email or if I know them IRL just say.."Hey did you realize you misspelled that word"...
I believe with the blogs and forums we have to remember that tone is hard to judge in written words and maybe you didn't mean to be petty...but the person you called out walked away probably feeling hurt and ashamed and what did that prove? Maybe you are a better speller but that doesn't mean they are any less human..
Again...I believe if you would have called out a regular MWOP person it would have been no big deal but because the person stood up and said...I don't agree and **BAME** they get called out for spelling really made it look like it was done to cause shame and hurt.
Thanks for stopping by and explaining yourself and no hard feelings...we are all human and believe me I have said and done things I am not proud of either..but thankfully I have forgiven myself and made changes in how I say things...I'm sure I will still mess up sometimes cause I'm not perfect!
Laurne, it's so great of you to forgive yourself. You should write a post about that!
It's cool.
H
anon 3:50
I have no idea?
Who knows maybe I will....you see I said some things and said I was wrong...and I said some things and said I believed I was right. Blogher was one of the things I felt as a Blogher blogger I had a right to question the contact I signed. Many didn't know what the contract said....I did since I signed the same contract. All of my emails to Jenny at Blogher had my name and my blog so that Blogher would know I knew what the rules said. I'm not saying my emails caused her to start a review blog but it did happen about the same time I contacted them. Mckmama wasn't the only blogger who my email addresses...there were others and suddenly EVERYONE started following the rules. That is all I ever asked...I never said she should have her ads cancelled and once she had the review blog I thanked Blogher and moved on....so as far as would this be covered in her book..probably not since it was about following her contract and many other BIG bloggers had to start following the rules also...
anon 3:57
I believe I have already addressed this at the beginning....you can find it in the archives.
It is a wonderful thing when you say you have been wrong about something and own it and tell someone you are sorry...It actually frees you of the guilt! Like I said I still have things about Mckmama that I didn't agree with and that is human nature...we will not always agree 100% with others...but it doesn't consume my life. I have things I don't agree with people who comment here but we can agree to disagree and life goes on....and we don't have to HATE each other because we don't agree about everything!
I am done with MWOP, I used to be a very regular poster. Very regular. But today's discussion whether Jennifer posted a picture of her son with his male member visible puts me over the edge. Some have even opened it in photoshop and played around with settings to get a better view. Most are saying she did this on purpose, and I am sick over the fact that women, most of which are mothers, would spend the afternoon discussing a 4 year old child and his um junk. Disgusting, those mods should be utterly ashamed of themselves for allowing this discussion to continue.
-TotallyOverMWOP
Violet, is that you?
Anonwalker,
It was too late to contact PayPal. My point about the bracelets is she stole the money and she pretends to take care of it, but she hasn't and I'm not the only one who didn't get them. I'm over it. I don't want restitution. However, don't expect me to think she is honest and upfront. She has proven to me personally that she isn't.
Lowe's sells cabinets and appliances to redo your kitchen. They also sell their installation services to install them. So basically Lowe's will renovate your kitchen. By the time the damage they caused to of our home was repaired the total was close to $300,000.
Lucy
Totally Over MWOP
I agree..I noticed it and started to say something here and decided against it...
Glad to know I wasn't the only one upset about mothers discussing that...YUCK!!!!
Funny thing I did think about...they are giving Mckmama click after click going over and getting that picture and they have even posted it on the blog....didn't Mckmama just warn them about taking her pics without permission...
Can't you see a MWOPer in court..."But Judge I was only trying to see if it was her sons Privates hanging out"...now if you were a judge what would you think about a mother enlarging a picture to see if it did in fact show a childs private parts? Sounds pretty sick to me...I'm thinking that Judge might be concerned about WHY a mother would care enough to enlarge the photo?????? I guess they don't stop and think about what they are putting on the Internet for all the world to see about their actions....Sure makes them appear to be troubled...and I really mean something else but I hate to type the word!!!!!!
Lucy:
I guess I am different because if something bothered me this much I would not let it go...
Contact her again if it really matters to you and try on Facebook. I think at this point in her life she is more willing to make the wrongs right....
If you would like you can send the email to me and I will forward it to her friend that I know...I know her friend talks to her all the time and would make sure she received it...just an offer if it really is bothering you that much. I know I remember when she offered to make the bracelets right she said she needed the PayPal info...do you still have this?
No matter what happened I do understand if you felt wronged...that hurts and that makes a person lose trust. I get that....but for your own well being....either resolve it with her or let it go cause honestly....Life Is Short and if that is the entire reason you feel this way...that's not good for you! Maybe there is more...I don't know.
Hope you can resolve this and move on...not for Mckmama but for you and no other reason!
Just an FYI:
"And I'm done. I don't give a flying flip about Jennifer Mckinney or her scams. A sheeple just called my house and told me "You'd better watch yourself and stop posting lies about Mckmama, you lying bitch." That's over the line. Not only is our home phone unlisted, but the bill is in my husband's name - which is different than my name. I have never, ever threatened Jennifer Mckinney. I have never stalked Jennifer Mckinney. I have ever called Jennifer Mckinney. Hell, I've never even seen her in person. I have posted on this blog. *That* is my connection to Jennifer Mckinney.
Jennifer Mckinney isn't making me leave. Her attorney isn't making me leave. The bullies over on the other site aren't making me leave. The f*cking crazy ass sheeple did it. Not by convincing me I'm wrong in my opinion, but crossing a very distinct line in the sand. Done.
And simply because someone is bound to ignore what happened and merely want to know what is happening with the house documents they are being emailed to the main blog address - mods at mwopblog."
Unless it was one of you who called, and I don't believe it was, I just wanted Lauren to know she isn't responsible and can't take credit.
MWoPshell
Sorry, I call BS on MWOPShell's dramatic exit just like I did Violet's. If that is the case about the phone number, how would one find it? I think it is their plan to dwindle away to avoid looking like idiots when the foreclosure stuff comes out. What a bunch of freaks.
And the discussion on Nuggey's privates is disgusting. Those people are sick.
Lastly, I have three bracelets if Lucy wants them.
As I just said on MWOP....which I think has now so severely crossed the line I really might just vomit....What kind of nasty perverts are they to be staring that closely at a little boy to see if his parts might be showing??? Freaking seriously???!!!!
And with that can I add, "Ding Dong the Witch is
Dead!"
Later Shell :)
I think the people trying to find boy parts is driving a lot of people away. And the moaning about a picture of M with her underwear showing, that I didn't even notice. I know I'm through. It's getting ridiculous.
H
And banned I am. THANK GOD!!!!
I gots a coupla things to say...
"we are all human and believe me I have said and done things I am not proud of either..but thankfully I have forgiven myself and made changes in how I say things..."
Tina, while I appreciate your change of attitude and the point you are making, wouldn't the important thing be that those you wronged forgave you and not that you've forgiven yourself? I mean, can you imagine someone saying to you that they've made made changes in the person they are now and forgave themselves for making sure porn showed up on your blog, without ever asking *your forgiveness? Like I said, I'm not discounting your sentiment, just pointing out a little inconsistency.
Now, re: Shell's post, let's think on this logically. Let's assume she's being truthful and open our minds up. How could anyone have gotten her phone number? Some of those paid IntelliSearch (or whatever) sites will give you related people, even by different names, that have lived in the same household. Is it possible someone got Shell's husband's name via one of those, using *her name, and then tracked the number from there? How about via a home address? Has Shell's husband ever posted a phone number and email on craiglist, to give another example? I'm just trying to be fair here and not taking sides, so let's not jump to conclusions like people did on MWOP. We can't rightfully say a sheeple didn't call her and make that threat unless we exclude all logical possibilities and there are some that are possible.
But shell who is going to get that email??? It seems all the mods are jumping ship with you. Guess behaving like JM isnt working very well for the lot of you now is it?
yep I am feeling snarky sorry
Shannon, Honey, what did you do now?
Also, Tina, I should tell you that I'm contemplating a post on Daisy that could be considered "bullying" by you. It's not about you or anyone here, at least that I know of. If I do it, just know I already know it might be a bully post. No need to point it out. ;-)
Good for you for taking the high road Shannon! You're a class act.
So, MWOP is imploding.
Let's hope it is for good this time!
J-
Lisa I called them all vile nasty disgusting perverts for feeling the need to do what they were doing to see if C's boy bits were exposed. Seriously??? And that it is obvious that the perverts that JM should be worried about looking at her son's pictures would be right there on MWOP. It was just disgusting to me and totally over the line....way far over there ------> over the line. Basically said ban me I dont care but I am saying what I needed to say.
Crap, here I go being all fair again, but you know, they most probably weren't trying to find his little bits in order to get a sexual thrill out of it. Maybe one or two would, but overall, newp. So, I'm hard-pressed to call them perverts and think you were probably wrong there. That said, I've done some odd damn things in my years online, but hunting down naked little boy bits to best his mother isn't one of them, thankfully. Truly, that signals some people with *way too much time on their hands and the need for a (more) productive hobby, imo.
Shell, if it makes you feel better, I just had a car drive my house, laying on the horn and screaming "FAGGOT!!" Sadly, my son wasn't home to hear it, as he's off strutting around in his new leopard print jeans doing God knows what. Life could be worse for you...I expect to lose a mailbox or something tonight and I bet you won't. It's a good thing I have a sense of humor. I suggest you try it, too. :-D
Lisa, I have to say it makes me laugh when you say "newp." I love it! :)
-A
xyz,
What words of wisdom do you mean?
Anonwalker
I have no idea what to believe anymore....
Casual Observer says:
Act 17, Scene 4 "Something Flouncy this Way Comes"
I believe I just saw a few Chorus Members run off stage, have a cocktail, and change costumes...
They should be returning by Scene 7.
LOL Lisa I may have been wrong but before loulou deleted the original comments that were posted about it my mommy alarms just went off the charts. Talking about how you could tell it was his bits because it wasnt the right color to be his shorts...shit like that just got me fired up. When they keep talking about how two wrongs dont make a right and crap and how crazy the sheeple are I just dont get how they justify focusing and enlarging a picture of a little boy to see if his bits are hanging out of the top??? Was it because there was nothing to focus on with S because his bits were all covered by his shirt?
JM may get on my nerves and even tick me off sometimes but dammit the last few weeks I cant tell you how many times MWOP has pissed me off.
And I love your son!!!! I really do!
Lucy,
If you didn't pay her the money, how did she steal it? It doesn't sound like you are over it since, well you are still talking about it 3 years later.
I can't imagine having a kitchen remodel, even with damage costing $300,000. I'm curious, with that kind of money why would you use a low quality installer and products such as Lowes?
Anonwalker
So Violet "quit", Shell "quit", LouLou "quit", Cate just "quit", so that leaves Anja???
I saw the talk about the little boy and M's dress. I wonder if they realize they spend more time and energy looking at these photos then the sicko's they are worried about?
Anonwalker
-A, the sad thing is, I actually do say newp...emphasis on the "p" sound, which must pop, and with my mouth all pursed up. It's not one of my finer speech traits. :-D
Max, why not?
Shannon, all I'm saying is, I don't think anyone zoomed in and diddled, you know? That would be perverted. Otherwise, it's just bored and obsessed, imo.
Like AW just pointed out (but not in these words), why not be more concerned about those who zoomed in and *did diddle?
I vascillate (sp?) back and forth at times. I don't like that Jennifer plagiarized and perhaps was much less than honest, and I really did like the MWOP group, but now with all the nitpickiness I don't like that either. I'm just looking for a less than snarky place to chat.
Shannon,
I saw a response that blamed their looking at the photo on JM who posted it. Really? Is anyone not responsible for their own actions over there, they must blame all of their bad behavior on JM?
Anonwalker
Lisa,
I don't know what to believe, but I go back to my statement from when mwopViolet flounced out (thank you casual observer for another LOL moment) all of this is conveniently private and not public.
Anonwalker
Max, maybe you should check BlogFrog, the site?
Lisa, I LOVE IT! I have my own little twag when I say stupid. I have to say it like "stoooooooppppppid." I might have to try your "newp" emphasis on the /p/. :) hahaha
-A
I think like I said in the post I made on there that was my last...it was really just my last straw ya know? The fact that they really were seeming to obsess over something like that...diddle or no diddle it is perverted to me. As a mom I looked at that pic and saw some happy kids having fun and a silly perfect timing opportunity with one losing his drawers. It wasnt like she had her kid naked from the waist down with a shirt that only covered his belly walking through the parking lot at the park...again. They were looking for a little kids winky.
Casual observer ...... I heart you!
Darcy
Do they realize over there that no matter how secret they make the planned new place that it will be found by m*f*ing google in 3 seconds flat?!
Unless they intend to keep it private as entrance via old name via secret email only. Which would allow for no growth.
Can you picture the remaining posters discuss JM ad nauseum amongst themselves for all eternity?
I think Casual Observer has the wrong author. That's Sartres 'No exit' right there...
And I'm with Lisa, benefit of doubt, etc. But it's hard, you really have to WANT to believe it.
I have the urge to post there in response to a comment about people being crazy and that people were harassed for posting on a website. Really? Look around, that is what mwop is for and all the twitter accounts, the facebook accounts and so on and so forth. Why is it perfectly justifiable if it is directed at JM then?
Anonwalker
What's the point of a secret site? Isn't the point of a WOP site, in general, to reach many people and spread the word?
~A, I actually sat here and said "stoooooooppppppid" out loud. I sound like I'm from NJ, lolol.
Then you're doing it right! lol Funny thing though, I'm from the deep south. So when I say it I sound less NJ and more like "steeeewwwwwpid". I wonder what other words we can massacre......lol
So the million dollar question that's on my mind. To the creator of this blog: if MWOP shuts down, will you also? Just curious- I don't have an opinion either way.
-A
Why just not let WMOP just die? Geez, talk about beating a dead horse. I was not around for the 1st one or the 2nd, but it sounds like at some point it all goes down hill. So why would a 4th (or would a new one be the 5th) blog about JM be any different?
H
Kate,
Oh I like to mix and mingle my authors, writers, time periods, and references...
-Casual Observer
NOTE: I just ate OREOs with Berry filling. It was amazing.
Lisa:
You said:
Tina, while I appreciate your change of attitude and the point you are making, wouldn't the important thing be that those you wronged forgave you and not that you've forgiven yourself? I mean, can you imagine someone saying to you that they've made made changes in the person they are now and forgave themselves for making sure porn showed up on your blog, without ever asking *your forgiveness? Like I said, I'm not discounting your sentiment, just pointing out a little inconsistency.
To which I will say I have said I was sorry to the person I said things about. No inconsistency here....but since you asked about the PORN...no they don't have to tell me to my face they are sorry...a simple I made a BIG MISTAKE and I'm sorry would be fine with me. You see I am all about being true to myself and when I realized I didn't like the person all the Mckmama drama had made me become I stepped back and tried to be a voice of reason...you know like saying WHY is it OK for Kelle Hampton to post naked pictures and you love her but Mckmama is the DEVIL for doing it. Instead of opening peoples eyes they turned on me like MAD DOGS and at that time I realized this group of ladies would never understand and would have to find out the hard way...which I believe is now happening.
Terrible if someone really called MWoPshell phone...way over the line but this is what happens when you bully people the way the sheeple have been bullied by MWOP...they lash out and it's not a pretty site. I've seen seem talk about Barb..make fun of her hobby, Summer Jo make fun of her child, McKenna and numerous others...really how much do you think these ladies are going to take before they explode? I am not saying what they did was right if they did it.....let's be CLEAR about that....BUT crazy shit happens when you talk crap about the wrong person...This is the Internet and how do you know that the person you are making fun of isn't a mental patient and crazy as all get out? I don't think IRL you would provoke the crazy guy next door who creeps you out...no you would do everything you could to avoid him...so just because you say it online doesn't mean there isn't a crazy person on the other end of that computer screen....
Casual Observer:
THANK YOU for making me laugh!!!!!
Please don't go away we need the closing act written for us!!!!!!!
Anonwalker, you are so RIGHT! as always ;)
A:
This blog is not JUST about MWOP....if bullying is still happening and people enjoy having a place to talk we will stay...
This is not my life and I don't pretend that it is....if you have noticed I travel a lot and I don't do this blog when I am traveling I let everyone else be BIG GIRLS and so far it has worked....the same will continue to happen.
Oh for God's sake, would you please stop saying they made fun of Summer Jo's child? It's not like anyone said she was homely - just the ooposite, in fact. People said they didn't like huge bows on small babies and that it distracted from a cute baby.
Lauren, you're the bully expert - you should know the difference between stating an opinion about an inanimate object and bullying a child.
Casual Observer, PLEASE stick around like Lauren asked. You could write some guest posts for her. Your writing style is very polished and easy to follow, which is a nice change. :)
I am very sorry to say you were right when you said "Sunnybloom" was one of Shell's sock puppets. Shell leaves MWOP, so does Sunnybloom.
K
Gotcha. Makes sense. :)
-A
Hi, I am not going anywhere!
-Casual Observer
eek, clicked too fast.
Just like I don't think any of those mods on the other forum are going anywhere.
Names, costumes, formats, ellipses may change, but the peeps will stay the same.
You mean there are only 3 ppl over there, talking to themselves with 36 user names each?
OK team, "Casual Observer" is too long a name... I am open to suggestions on a new name so I dont have to post anonymously. I like to stand behind my words.
Kate :It has been stated here may times that this is what it looks like. I do not how much of it is speculation and how much is true.
But Shell = Sunnnybloom now I think is proved (if you read her last comment).
But Lauren knows more about it than any of us, I think.
K
Mckcencorship is Violet. As she exited stage left, Mckcensorship enters stage right. That blog will not change hands, it's all in their plan to go anonymous, but not loose the control or power.
Casual Observer,
I use profile option 'name/url' and entered kate on the first comment. After that you only have to enter 'C' & the history should bring up the full 'Casual Observer'.
Thanks, K. Scary.
Yeah, I just think Casual Observer is kinda boring. I am going to come up with a new name. Suggestions welcome, but I am looking to keep it literature related. Possibly some kind of Shakespearean character... working on it now.
Ladies, If I am going to jump in, it will be full force. Prepare for the love.
Sunnybloom announces she is quitting, and then 4 minutes later she is still there, commenting, and defending the mods.
K
Casual Observer- what about Othello?
Damn, I turn the computer off for the day and the poop hits the fan.
Yeah, Shell's account isn't deleted either.
Nor has Violet stuck around until the place has changed hands to somebody completely anon, 'even if it takes months'. They're not so big with keeping their words.
Anon 7:32,
McKCensorship seems to have posted infrequently since MWoP2. But where did kay27gee come from who needs this dream to be kept alive?!
Casual Obeserver,
I'm mentally preparing myself for the love, but am a little afraid.
I obviously scare easily...
ok, I just decided to use my gmail account. My name is Alex, and my gmail is piratedoggie. Hello.
I am casual observer no longer.
I also posted over on the other blog to introduce myself. That place is getting really snarky.
anon 7:12
I know you believe no one said MEAN things about Summer Jo's child but I do believe you have been reading MWOP with blinders on...
I happen to know that Summer Jo was SHOCKED over the things they said about her child...maybe you didn't say anything anon 7:12 but there were ugly comments written about an innocent child only because her mother had their pictures taken by Mckmama...that anon 7:12 is bullying and you can wordsmith it any way you like....fact still stands they tried to BULLY a mother and she happen to bite back! Good for her for standing up for her child and demanding they remove her childs pictures!!!!
Disqus accounts can take up to a couple of days to be deleted.
Kate: It surprised me too, that infrequent commenters have the need to step in? Why? And who are they?
K
weird, I decided to post as my gmail account and it disappeared.
I originally posted as Casual Observer, but decided to just go with my regular account
My name is Alex and it comes up piratedoggie on gmail.Hi all. I am here to spread the love. I also posted on the other blog with my same introduction.
K
All I know about Sunnybloom is that I received an email from Leah saying Sunnybloom was one of Shell's sock puppets? Now can we believe what Leah said?
I also have info about the IP address info and I never shared cause I felt like I shouldn't warn all the MWOP ladies because all they did was call me a liar....now that the blog is falling apart maybe that will be my next blog post....they will be really upset when they find out who has all their IP addresses and was more than willing to share them with me...
"no they don't have to tell me to my face they are sorry...a simple I made a BIG MISTAKE and I'm sorry would be fine with me."
Say what? Should that "I'm sorry" have been said to your ass or what? No disrespect intended, I'm just confused.
"Then you're doing it right! lol Funny thing though, I'm from the deep south. So when I say it I sound less NJ and more like "steeeewwwwwpid". I wonder what other words we can massacre......lol"
Southern girl here, too. "Steeeeeeewpid", I understand. "Newp" has the same sound. *nods* I've worked hard to overcome butchering words, though, so I'm pretty perfect but for "newp". Or not...whatever. ;-)
And frankly, those bows on Summer Jo's kid made her look like sort of cactus-y, which no cute kid deserves to look like. :-/
Shelby I know what you mean...I was about to go to bed and checked the blog one last time and said OMG.....LOL
Could someone tell me why my comments keep disappearing? I changed to my gmail account so I would not be anonymous and now they are gone. WHat did I do?
-Casual Observer aka piratedoggie (Alex)
Thanks Lauren, I guess we all need an eye-opening post :-)
Still learning, because I write what I live, so I believe what I read. Maybe I should sign this comment with a new name " the naive girl"
K
Lisa not sure what you are confused about?
I answered your question and no I didn't think they had to type out the words....LAUREN at BWOP we are sorry....no they could have simply said we made a mistake...you know the way I said to the person I said things about that I regreted...I said "I'm sorry"...I was only answering what you questioned and your interest in my intentions...
Maybe you being Southern and all has something to do with the way you do and see things and the way I do and see things...that's fine...we are different! Now what I will not agree about is what is in my heart...you see I know what is there and I know I have forgiven myself...which BTW was what you seemed to have a problem with? I don't pretend to know what is in your heart and I would hope you wouldn't pretend to know what is in mine. I said what I said from the bottom of my heart...meaning I had forgiven myself of the things I did so I could move on and if you don't understand that...that's OK...just please don't question that or make fun of it...
Sorry Lisa but sometimes you pick apart the things I say and it's like you try to question my intentions...that bothers me because when you came over to this blog I said I would not hold it against you all the nasty things you said about me...and remember I NEVER said any nasty things about you...ever!
Maybe it's just me, but piratedoggie (Alex) seems not significantly shorter than Casual Observer.
Just kidding. I can still see your posts from before.
And before I forget:
Thanks, Ann Church for the laughs on
'Lastly, I have three bracelets if Lucy wants them. '
Emailed, posted on FB, and on her blog. Blog and FB comments have been deleted and no response from the email.
Jennifer,
You know me as "MWoPshell" and a moderator of the MWoP site. Today I received a phone call from someone in St. Cloud, MN.
Caller: "Is this Michelle Scott?"
Me: "Yes."
Caller: "You'd better watch yourself and stop posting lies about Mckmama, you lying bitch."
And then she hung up.
While we have our differences you and I know that I have never threatened you or your family. I have publicly said I don't like people who stalk you or make phone calls to people about you. While I've written on a blog, I have done nothing threatening to you and really don't deserve to have one of your followers calling me like that.
I'm using my real name and email address so that you understand there is a person behind the username. As I said, I've publicly denounced people crossing the line when it comes to your safety and that of your family and I would ask you to do the same. Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
Michelle Scott
LISA:
OK I don't normally question things others say...if I don't agree I just agree to disagree but wait a minute...
YOU SAID:
And frankly, those bows on Summer Jo's kid made her look like sort of cactus-y, which no cute kid deserves to look like. :-/
Now wasn't it just a few days ago you were ready to tar and feather me about a comment about a child? Didn't you tell me we should never discuss children? Sorry but I had to bring this up since you just made a big deal about something like this the other day...
Now that was your opinion...I don't agree and normally that's all I would have said...
I don't believe at all the Shell was contacted by a sheeple. There is way to much drama that surrounds her, and she has been caught in way to many lies. I think she wants to be the center of "poor poor pitiful me" scenario, and actually I believe most will be gald to see her go. I don't think Lauren would take credit for calling her even if she did...ummm hello!
Lucy, I can't believe you are seriously still upset over an orange bracelet. To me if you were giving a donation to this family then who cares if you got a bracelet. Would it make you feel better if we all sent you an orange bracelet? Geez!!!
Shell, Why don't you contact the authorities regarding this call? Or why don't you post the person's name on JM's FB - that would be a slap in their face?
K
Shell why do you come here, to one of your greatest enemies' site to announce the info? Has she become your refuge now?
K
Lauren said:
"I don't pretend to know what is in your heart and I would hope you wouldn't pretend to know what is in mine. I said what I said from the bottom of my heart...meaning I had forgiven myself of the things I did so I could move on and if you don't understand that...that's OK...just please don't question that or make fun of it..."
Actually, Lauren, you DO pretend to know what's in people's hearts. Shall we go through your blog here and cut and paste a few of the examples?
The holier-than-thou, self-righteous tone in your posts and comments is a huge turnoff.
Yeah, Lucy - get over it!
Mckmama obviously needed the money, so who cares if she got it through swindling on the internet? Come on, give a girl a break!
I'm sure she spent the money wisely, so you can at least feel better about that. :)
This is a test. I am going to post this twice, once as Anonymous and once with my gmail account. We will see what works.
When I post as Anonymous (Casual Observer) my posts show up. WHen I changed to my gmail account (piratedoggie - Alex) so I would not be anonymous, I posted several times and said I was going to introduce myself also over at the other blog and now my gmail postings are gone. Its really weird and I am afraid I have done something wrong or screwed up how I post. Oh well. Maybe I should just go back to anonymous.
This is a test. I am going to post this twice, once as Anonymous and once with my gmail account. We will see what works.
When I post as Anonymous (Casual Observer) my posts show up. WHen I changed to my gmail account (piratedoggie - Alex) so I would not be anonymous, I posted several times and said I was going to introduce myself also over at the other blog and now my gmail postings are gone. Its really weird and I am afraid I have done something wrong or screwed up how I post. Oh well. Maybe I should just go back to anonymous.
We now have the phone company tracing all incoming calls. The first thing I did was call the police non-emergency number and ask what to do. They helped me with the phone company. I don't have the person's name. CallerID said "St. Cloud, MN" So I can't call them out publicly.
I posted it here because JM is deleting comments so people aren't going to see it. Everyone who is associated with her - whether or not you agree with her - should know that she knows what one of her followers did and instead of dealing with it she is deleting comments.
Tina/Lauren isn't my "greatest enemy." She's a person I have never met who passionately disagrees with me. I wouldn't know her if we passed on the street.
Shell why would you even contact JM as if she has control over someone calling you, IF that actually happened. Also, just as you say JM opened herself up for the MWOPers who stalked her, contacted banks, reality companies (oh was that you)...didn't you also open yourself up by posting as a mod on MWOP??? Why exactly are you here posting after all the hate you said about this site? Something sounds fishy to me.
S
"Possibly some kind of Shakespearean character... working on it now."
Sycorax or Regan come to mind.
"Now wasn't it just a few days ago you were ready to tar and feather me about a comment about a child? Didn't you tell me we should never discuss children? Sorry but I had to bring this up since you just made a big deal about something like this the other day..."
Oh, heck, I probably did, although I don't recall the specifics and I wasn't even remotely close to tarring and feathering your dramatic self since nothing you do ever gets me to that point. I probably just said I thought you were wrong and probably meant discussing children in an ugly or exposing way. What did I say it in reference to? I never mentioned Summer Jo's kiddo by name and I plainly said she's cute. The cactus flower detracts from her cuteness but that's a reflection on her mom and not her. I'll stand by that. :-)
Please, I know this is off topic, but I am so confused. If I post as anonymous, everything is fine. When I changed and activated blogger with my gmail account nothing is showing up. What do I do? I am going to post this as anonymous just to make sure it shows...
I am Casual Observer who tried to make myself official by using my piratedoggie gmail account (Alex)
Lauren, you might just found a new friend for yourself. You see? You are not her enemy - needs your help right now, but still no apology for the porn.
It is getting better by the minute.
I do feel bad for Shell and can not fathom how she must feel, but this Lauren - Shell situation is pretty entertaining. No offense Lauren!
you might have found- I meant
I think Shell is posting now as Shell, Anonymous (you can tell her snark and hateful comments from a mile away), and Michelle. I find it hilarious that she is posting here after the posting she did when Lauren called her out. The hate filled posts towards this blog and Lauren, and now she comes here posting as the victim. I call BS on her being contacted by a "sheeple." Again, you said JM was an open target to be contacted are you any different since you to led a blog. You have been caught in WAY to many lies, and what exactly do you want JM to do about it if she doesn't have a contact. Also, after all the lies you have spread about her, why would she believe you?
S
S, please focus. Complete sentences might help us to understand what you're trying to say.
I got it. S's comment - most likely because we think alike.
K
I can understand S just fine.
anon 8:33
Please use a name
Thanks
I can understand what S said just fine...
Maybe you should try reading slower..{giggle}
Casual Observer I have no idea why the google sign up isn't working for you????
Shell, please go away....
Darcy
Lauren,
I will now go by anon 8:33.
Are you going to point out the other comments here that aren't using a name, or just the ones that disagree with you?
Thanks,
anon 8:33
anon 8:33
Thanks :)
Shell, you are such a liar. The phone company won't trace calls without a court order and it would take more than a day. You're a bigger snake than JM and you know it. You are all lying and I feel sorry for all of the MWOP sheeple that are buying all of this crap the mods are flinging their way. I hope the blog dies. I hope it is never resurrected.
What kind of people pick apart a photo of a child enough to notice something that may or may not resemble genitalia? I can't imagine looking at a picture of a child playing outside and looking to see if I can see their panties or not. I hope you grow up and get a life.
As for IP addresses, who cares? Why does it matter? Is someone going to track me down and start keeping track of what I do with my kids? This latest bit of MWOP drama is something to watch, that's for sure.
"Yet no one thinks a thing about Kelle Hampton because they like her...again double standard!"
Lauren, are you basing this on what people have posted on MWoP? If so, how would you know if people over there have a problem with Kelle Hampton? I read MWoP - just like you obviously do - and I am very aware that the site is about MckMama. (Hence, the name of the site.)
It sounds like you're drawing conclusions about other blogers based on the comments of some posters on a site about MckMama.
For the record, I'm quite shocked at many of the bloggers who post naked pictures and share private information about their children. It seems to me that children of some bloggers don't have rights to their own privacy until they're old enough to ask for it, as Dooce's daughter did. Seems like if anyone should be protecting a child's right to privacy, it would be that own child's parents. Apparently, many of these bloggers disagree.
anon 8:33
anon 8:33
Some people are crazy like.A couple of years ago I sent my MIL a few pictures of our newborn son. To be more exact, sent her the link to my Photoworks album. She sent me back a couple of forwarded e-mails from her girlfriends (of course she shared the album with them) making fun of me for covering up my son's penis in his pictures. They did not know what was wrong with me and why I had to do that to that "poor child" (their words, not mine), they said something about me scarring the child for life for hiding his family jewel. My question was to her: what is wrong with your girlfriends, why do they need to see it?
Strange, isn't it?
K
Can everybody please stop making this Kelle stuff happening?
Frankly, people are not as invested in Kelle. And there are no masses of idolizing followers. Thus, there's no need to find a place to voice any pent up anger and / or frustration.
But watch the 4 little men site, there might be something similar developing.
By covering "it" up, I meant I covered "that" part of the bathing picture, I did not cover "it" itself.
K
Kate,
Kelle Hampton has been brought more than once here as a comparison to MckMama, most recently by this blog's owner, Lauren. That is my only reason for bringing her up myself.
I personally don't read her blog and have only visited it a few times when it was mentioned here and on MWoP.
anon 8:33
Anon 8:33 or should we call you Shell???
Funny, that Shell has now posted on every site and is saying it is so the sheeple will know JM didn't do anything. What does she really think she should do? She doesn't have any information besides "St. Cloud, MN." Also, why would she come to the defense of someone that slings mud in her face at every turn, posts lies, etc. I'm sorry but I would have to say I would do the same as JM is doing.
S
K,
Yes, that is strange!
I would never look at a photo of someone else's child and ask why they covered up the genitals! They're referred to as private parts for a reason - they are private.
anon 8:33
S:
Seriously? Anyone you don't agree with must be Shell? Did you learn that tactic over at MWoP, where so many people were accused of being MckMama?
I thought this site was for all opinions, and that people have respectful discussions? If that's not the case, let me know and I'll move along.
anon 8:33 (or Shell, if you insist, S! LOL)
@Kate, glad you liked my bracelet comment. :) And I think Kelle has tons of followers that idolize her.
The timing of the all the mods leaving is way too coincidental for me. It stinks to high heaven. I wouldn't be surprised if Shell actually did get a call (which I don't think she did) from one of her own sick MWOPers trying to have their own version of fun.
Casual Observer, sorry you were treated rudely over there on your first post.
Michelle Scott said...
"We now have the phone company tracing all incoming calls".
Didn't i read somewhere before that you were fond of calling the cops? Yeah, Peter and the Wolf. Nice one, Michelle Scott LOL
And for Lisa: You seem to be hanging out here and voicing your opinions about everything. I mean everything. I know you don't always agree with Lauren - heck, you probably hate her guts but see that she's got a good and decent blog here. I mean, what vested interest do you have anymore in arguing your points here? You don't care for JM, you don't care for MWOP and you don't like Lauren.
Aren't you from the old OHIH blog? Nothing mean..I just see some of your edgy statements. Maybe not 'some'...more like 'a lot'
Early morning reading. I just noticed the title of MWOPs latest post. 'What Brings You Joy'. Too bad they banned JM..she could contribute something nice tomthat particular topic and questions.
From the OHIH days I remember there was one person from Tokyo..isn't one of the mods based there? is Anja the one in Tokyo?
Good grief Shell, Just go AWAY already. You are such a drama whore. you are getting threatening calls at home, yet you post your real information for all to find you? Let's try the honest thing shall we? You are back tracking and bailing because you screwed up AGAIN and posted false information about JM and got called out on it. I use to post frequently at MWOP, but couldn't stand you so I left. I really hope you are gone for good. One can only hope.
one time regular
I agree anon 12:07!
~C
Anon 12:07:
"You seem to be hanging out here and voicing your opinions about everything."
About which topics do you find it acceptable to be voicing opinions? Part of the title of this blog is "Other Things About Blogging" - I'd say that covers just about anything under the sun. But if you would like only certain topics discussed, you should make that suggestion to Lauren.
"I know you don't always agree with Lauren - heck, you probably hate her guts but see that she's got a good and decent blog here."
One of the gripes that has been expressed repeatedly on this blog is that people on MWOP speculate and make stuff up. Saying that Lisa probably hates someone's guts is speculative and very over the top.
Lastly, sign your posts with a name - Lauren's rules, remember? ;)
Anon 8:33
Well if someone is truely calling Shell I have to say that's way overboard but now she knows exactly what it feels like to be JM.
I would hope she now sees how dangerous her actions have been. It's always worried me when MWOP went downhill about what the crazies would do. Yeah not everyone is crazy but all you need is one crazy and that's it.
When MWOP was posting only fact and nothing but fact the crazies really didn't have ammo. But when they went into nitpicking and bullying, the crazies finally had something to run with.
Doesn't Shell know that people have done similar things to MckMama? I hope this incident opened her eyes to the crap she's participated in.
-Anonon
Michelle,
Why should she deal with it? Why would it come as a surprise to you that the followers of JM are just like the followers of mwop? You allowed the hatred to breed on your blog, I'm sure you told the police this in order to be 100% truthful.
Anonwalker
Kellie H and PW have been brought up on this blog because mwop members have often compared JM to them saying why can't she be more like them. Well they ARE a lot alike, that is the point.
Anonwalker
I have to agree with those of you who are trying to figure out just why JM should give two hoots about anything that anyone does to Michelle.
Seriously woman have your words and actions suddenly failed you? You act like some innocent victim in this whole thing and quite honestly maybe it had nothing to do with a 'sheeple' but everything to do with a member of MWOP who like myself has had enough of your fabrications posted as truths. You can hit the ban button as much as you want to but that doesnt make people disappear.
In the last week how many things have you done to cross the line with JM? How many things have the followers of MWOP done to cross the line with JM? What have you done besides sit by and encourage it to happen.
You reap what you sow....how does it taste?
Uh huh, this has to be a Shell sock puppet, clearly they were WRONG about the house.
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I am de-lurking to say that I really hope the "to foreclose or not to foreclose" question just goes away. I personally don't need to see the records and/or a post from Anja saying "Well I guess we jumped the gun/or were right.
I have been reading for about 6 months, my barometer for coming back to a blog is would I have coffee with at least 10 of the regular commenters. And there are far more than 10 here!
You all encourage each other, tease each other and support each each other.
I love when someone tries to stir the pot as someone will walk up and greet them and then tell them to "play nice". Sure there are some "rabid sheeple" and "rabid MWOPer's" but for the most part the idea of this blog is sound. To cry BS when the BS meter goes off on SWWNBN. And most of the people here seem rather pretty chill.
If people just came here and pointed out the obvious BS that would be fine with me. I don't need the hysterical could it be true? Did you see that? Should I call and confirm? That stuff is annoying to read. It makes me nervous when someone says "I have a life, but I found 15 minutes to run 50 photos through an EXIF reader." Seriously that did not take 15 minutes and you need to woman up and stop doing that. We know she lies, she photoshops, she exaggerates, she ignores, she forgets, she remembers, she spends, she saves, she loves and that might be all in one blog post. Poorly worded with ahem and ummm in it.
There is enough there just on face value that any one of us moms who send our kid(s) to school/homeschool, who cook for our kids/feed them takeout, who buy their clothes at stores/get bargains at garage sales, who love their partners/can not agree on even paint colors can use to create good discussion.
Going back to re-lurking. Clearly that is the opposite of de-lrking. ;)
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Observation of the day:
Is anyone really sure this Michelle Scott person posting is really "Shell"
Sure sounds like a fun way for someone (a sheeple? chorus member? JM's publishers PR person?) to stir up the pot.
Just my thoughts.
Still posting as anonymous/Casual Observer. My Piratedoggie google/blogger account still seems to send my posts somewhere out near Tatooine)
Observation of the day:
Is anyone really sure this Michelle Scott person posting is really "Shell"
Sure sounds like a fun way for someone (a sheeple? chorus member? JM's publishers PR person?) to stir up the pot.
Just my thoughts.
Still posting as anonymous/Casual Observer. My Piratedoggie google/blogger account still seems to send my posts somewhere out near Tatooine)
And I would like to add a little sugar to my observation...
There is a new OREO with BERRY FILLING. Go now. Find it. Eat. These are the droids/cookies you are looking for...
Also, Pillsbury has introduced the large, jumbo can of Cream Cheese Icing. Convenient, non-refrigeration-needed packaging for emergency sugar application.
My bliss, respectfully submitted.
I don't see the purpose in trying to figure out if someone's fake name is someone else. I bet 99% of the time everyone is wrong on that front. I have been accused of being people I have never heard of. It's a blog, so we have to take things at face value. It looks like MWOP is being transformed, so this site might have served it's purpose (and will no doubt continue, just as MWOP will). No need to keep snarking about people who will soon be long gone. And, yes, I realize some people think they will remain under a different name, but only time will tell, and who really cares? No one is who they appear to be on these things. It was a very predictable end to MWOP and perhaps just part of the life cycle these things go through.
When grown women start acting like they are in middle school and start pranking each other, it's time to move on. How unhealthy an attachment someone has to JM if they made that call on her behalf, unless it were one of her friends or family members, which seems highly unlikely. It's really quite creepy, but not at all surprising, given there are all types of people in the world, and all blogs will attract some crazies from time to time. Lines get crossed and people get scared and move on. I imagine the mods have better things to do with their lives, and I think they have realized that it is not worth it putting up with a bunch of crazy people. At least JM gets paid well to put up with her crazies!
Are people jealous of JM? It's hard to say. Of course some people might be, but I think people are angry that someone seems to be able to cheat the system so many times. You know, the same kind of angry JM was about the chicken. I can see people with sick kids and financial hardships being extra mad at her for flaunting her good fortune. I've only ever felt sorry for JM from the beginning. She has a troubled past that she has dealt with on the internet, which cannot be healthy. She faces constant criticism for every turn she makes, and I think she's dug a hole for herself that she cannot get out of. She has to have this blog for her family to get by. I think she liked the attention at first, but I'd bet the farm she wishes she were a teacher again, and out of this hectic, frazzled, wayward life.
BP
What is the difference between these two situations?
1. Calling someone out on the internet. Looking up public records and posting them on the internet. Tracking a person in public and then publishing photos and telling all about their "encounter". Picking apart every single solitary comment they make and every move they make, then making judgments on those actions.
2. Calling someone on the phone, speaking their mind with a threat involved, then hanging up.
Why is okay and the other is considered to be acting as a coward?
Anonwalker
ok, its official. I posted the following as my google account (piratedoggie) and it was either deleted or disappeared. I guess I will remain anonymous!
There is a new OREO with BERRY FILLING. Go now. Find it. Eat. These are the droids/cookies you are looking for...
Also, Pillsbury has introduced the large, jumbo can of Cream Cheese Icing. Convenient, non-refrigeration-needed packaging for emergency sugar application.
My bliss, respectfully submitted.
"Sorry Lisa but sometimes you pick apart the things I say and it's like you try to question my intentions...that bothers me because when you came over to this blog I said I would not hold it against you all the nasty things you said about me...and remember I NEVER said any nasty things about you...ever!"
First, my apologies, Tina...I didn't see this last night; I wasn't ignoring it. And I suppose I have been questioning your intentions some, that's true. Old habits die hard, I suppose, and you make a good point. I apologize for that, since you *do seem different now and I do enjoy your blog. I'll try to watch that, although I'll still point out if I really disagree. :-) And you are right, as well, that you never said anything nasty to my "face", meaning where I could read it, and I most certainly did to you since you took part in some things that hurt people I care for. I stand by what I said then, but I will say, again, that you do appear to be different now and I very much appreciate the thought and effort you put into arriving at the person you seem to be now, as well as this blog. :-)
Shell, first off, my own blog and Daisy get hits from St. Cloud fairly often. I'm not at all sure that's a sheeple and not someone else from that general area who might just not like you. Food for thought, anyway.
Alex, lolol, it showed as piratedoggie. Just give up. ;-)
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Why is okay and the other is considered to be acting as a coward?"
Imo, and that's all it is, when you call someone on their phone, you're stepping into their property, so; it's far more personal on a closer to physical level. Something posted on the internet is open for all to see it less personally intrusive, I think. I'm not explaining this well...dammit.
Lisa, I just gave the name/url field the name "piratedoggie" I can't fight the system. I may still change my name... I keep looking at the big tome of Shakespeare on my bookshelf...
"Aren't you from the old OHIH blog? Nothing mean..I just see some of your edgy statements. Maybe not 'some'...more like 'a lot'"
Heh, yeah, that's me. Nice to be remembered! For the record, I don't hate Tina at *all, never did and I even *whispers* pretty much like her these days. If I chatter on too much for you, sorry...about the only recourse I can offer you is to just scroll quickly past my comments. Now, should Tina ever feel that way, she's welcome to ask me to leave at any point in time and I will without a fuss since this is her blog. But sadly for you, you're stuck with me until that happens. :-D
I just found this blog yesterday and haven't read through everything (let alone today's comments), but I agree with you for the most part. I commented on Mwop2 a few times, usually just respectfully disagreeing, or posing and alternative answer to their assumptions in an attempt to be fair. Needless to say, my comments didn't go over well. I also occasionally comment on MckMama's blog, because I like her posts. Anyway - the mwopblog pretty much just makes me like MckMama more at this point. It is entertaining to read though (albeit quite sad and mind boggling!)
Lisa - I don't know, wouldn't public be more damaging, more personal damaging? Wouldn't posting on someones facebook page, blog or twitter account also be stepping on to personal property? Not that those are exactly personal property, but kwim?
For me it comes down to belief of MS, do we believe that someone called her and said those things? That I'm not sure about because she also said that she wouldn't be back here or mwop and that didn't hold water either.
Mck's 'sheeple' are no different than mwop's 'followers'.
Such hypocrisy to slam those who follow Mck, when some follow mwop every bit as blindly. The mwop crowd are just the same as those they talk shit about. So very hypocritical and so very much the same.
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