I found a very interesting article they actually gave examples of ways a bully....bullies.
I was shocked at how many apply to Mckmama and the way that MWOP treats her.
Take a look yourself and tell me how many you see that apply towards Mckmama?
Now I'd like to hear MWOP CLAIM they are not bullying Mckmama........
Well according to all the experts and all the data coming forward about bullying MWOP is bullying Mckmama time and time again!
What is bullying?
People who are bullied find that they are:
- constantly criticised and subjected to destructive criticism (often euphemistically called constructive criticism, which is an oxymoron) - explanations and proof of achievement are ridiculed, overruled, dismissed or ignored
- forever subject to nit-picking and trivial fault-finding (the triviality is the giveaway)
- undermined, especially in front of others; false concerns are raised, or doubts are expressed over a person's performance or standard of work - however, the doubts lack substantive and quantifiable evidence, for they are only the bully's unreliable opinion and are for control, not performance enhancement
- overruled, ignored, sidelined, marginalised, ostracised
- singled out and treated differently (for example other bloggers do the same thing but no one cares about them)
- belittled, degraded, demeaned, ridiculed, patronised, subject to disparaging remarks
- regularly the target of offensive language, personal remarks, or inappropriate bad language
- the target of unwanted sexual behaviour
- threatened, shouted at and humiliated, especially in front of others
- taunted and teased where the intention is to embarrass and humiliate
- set unrealistic goals and deadlines which are unachievable or which are changed without notice or reason or whenever they get near achieving them
- either overloaded with work (this keeps people busy [with no time to tackle bullying] and makes it harder to achieve targets) or have all their work taken away (which is sometimes replaced with inappropriate menial jobs, eg photocopying, filing, making coffee)
- have their responsibility increased but their authority removed
- have their work plagiarised, stolen and copied - the bully then presents their target's work (eg to senior management) as their own
- are given the silent treatment: the bully refuses to communicate and avoids eye contact (always an indicator of an abusive relationship); often instructions are received only via email, memos, or a succession of yellow stickies or post-it notes
- subject to excessive monitoring, supervision, micro-management, recording, snooping etc
- the subject of written complaints by other members of staff (most of whom have been coerced into fabricating allegations - the complaints are trivial, often bizarre ["He looked at me in a funny way"] and often bear striking similarity to each other, suggesting a common origin)
- denial of the right to earn your livelihood including preventing you getting another job, usually with a bad or misleading reference
Now...do you still think MWOP hasn't bullied Mckmama?
128 comments:
I'd say that's pretty spot on for what they do over there.
Fake Name:
When I found this information I felt it was MWOP aka a bully in action 100%!
Often times during this journey of being the victim of bullies I have felt like I see things one way and others see it differently. It feels nice to finally have a place to share how I feel and not feel like I am the only person who is getting it!!!! LOL
I see MWOPShell is at it again with her posts. They leave her alone and they get two posts, and this last one is just her bullying. Obviously if the Mckinney's are listed as taxpayers then they own the home according to the state, town, county, etc. If you are not the homeowner you do not pay the taxes. WOW!!!! Her IQ seems to go down every day.
I'm sorry she must not own a home herself. The bank holds the title until the loan is paid off. This is similar in cars. Why would any bank give over the title of the home without payment in full? That would just be stupid. So until the home is paid in full the bank will be listed as an owner of the property as well. I thought this was common knowledge?
I can't believe the latest post at mwop.
First to post without blurring out the address, someone had to ASK the mods to blur out the address of the people in the same area.
Second, don't only owners pay property taxes directly to the state?
Check out this link: http://www.realestateprorochester.com/real-estate-news/
If you note on the "proof" that mwop put up it clearly states RES-HMSTD, which means that you HAVE to be one of the owners of the property to qualify for that status. It seems like once again the mods are not actually reading their "proof".
Same thing, different day.
Anonwalker
Here is a link from MN tax website.
http://taxes.state.mn.us/property/Documents/publications_fact_sheets_pdf_content_applying_hmstd_propfs11.pdf
You have to be the owner in order to qualify for the classification that is listed on the tax bill that mwop provided. That took me all of 5 minutes to fact check.
Good job mwop, you supported JM's case, she does own the home!
Anonwalker
Yes POOR MWoPshell is a perfect example of someone being so jealous of Mckmama.
I agree she is so quick to point out they DON'T own the house....yet why would you pay taxes on a house if you didn't own it. Mckmama said early on they didn't get a traditional loan for their house....yet MWoPshell still insists they don't own the house....BLESS HER HEART!!!
Have you noticed it is the SAME few people commenting on MWOP and I'm pretty sure a few are MWoPshell's sock puppets...LOL Yet they are so quick to point out Mckmama has x number of comments or followers....I'm sure if Mckmama's followers posted 100 times a day her comments would be larger...LOL
Two things here that I want to add on this topic.
First I think you need to highlight this section as well:
set unrealistic goals and deadlines which are unachievable or which are changed without notice or reason or whenever they get near achieving them
The reason why is because I think it really goes into the damned if she does damned if she doesnt thing. If she is quiet online she is drumming up drama. If she is all over the internet she is ignoring her family.
Also I dont even think that Shell is jealous of JM. I honestly think she wants attention and power at this time and doesnt care what avenue it comes from. I think JM and jealousy have very very little to do with what drives her.
Good points Shannon.
I think for some it is an obsession and not jealousy.
Anonwalker
Shannon:
I missed that..thanks!
Anonwalker: I do see lots of obsession...I guess for me the jealousy I see is the CRUNCHY moms on MWOP who want to be just like JM but can't seem to achieve it....they fail and then lash out at JM because they are jealous that she appears (appears being the key word) to be what they can't!
Another thing I think that having this site has done in a positive way is allow people to say how they feel....I know at MWOP there were alsways others who didn't agree but they saw what happened to you if you dared to voice your own opinion and disagree with them.
Now others have a safe place to say..."Hey I think this is wrong"...I never expected everyone to agree with me 100%...what fun is that :) but at the same time...I did want others to respect my opinion.
Someone here said something about Kelle Hampton and not liking her....I believe Kelle Hampton and a discussion about her was my first run in with the ladies at MWOP....I was made to feel like I had 3 eyes for saying I thought she did many of the same things JM did. That was a turning point for me and made me understand how the sheeple must feel....they like JM and are picked on and trashed because of the way they feel. Now I get it and I realize we can agree to disagree and it is nothing personal....hope that makes sense!
I am newer to this site and I am glad I found it as I can't stomach mwop any longer. I am probably going to get blasted from the crowd over there but I just posted a comment basically telling them I am done and what they have done is wrong and is bullying and stalkerish. ...I just looked and now my comment is gone. How convinient! I copied it though so this is what I wrote:
"I am extremely confused as to how this is anyones bussiness and why anyone would care so much. JM drives me crazy as much as the next guy but this is a complete breech of privacy. No one knows the complete details of how she has obtained her house and I find it a bit alarming that people care so much to go digging around in there life.I don't care if this is public record or not, this is not right to post the Mcks info and her neighbors. I find it borderline stalkerish. Would you want someone to do that to you and post it all over the internet? She doesn't owe us any explanation as to how she ownes her house or if she is losing it. Just because she is a blogger doesn't mean she owes us every detail of her life. This is not the first time her address has been posted either and I find this all very uncalled for. What happened to this being a place to snark. I didn't realize it was now a place for people to fill there private investigator dreams. I have questioned JM for a long time now but the events that have happened over here have made me feel bad for her. I would lie about where I camped too if I were her to protect my family. She now has people posting her court records and financial information as well as people seeking her out in public. This has gone way past snarking and this is nothing I want to be apart of. I will just have to keep my snark to myself from now on I guess because this was the last straw for me. It has become very evident that some people have to much time on there hands and would rather bully."
This has all gotten so out of hand I wouldn't be surprised to see her attorney all over this.
--Sara
Sara:
Welcome and I promise you will not be censored here. Many feel the same way you do and many don't agree with Mckmama 100% but at the same time....what business it is of ours...I agree 100%. Wonder how MWoPshell would feel if her personal tax documents were posted with her address? You can bet she would be screaming loud and clear about her privacy....LOL
Now before someone comes by and says "Wait my comment didn't get posted"...well the only time I don't post or delete is if the comment is full of foul language and harmful...a different opinion is fine and welcome here.
I actually enjoy hearing others point of view and many times it makes me look at things in a different way and I will sometimes better understand WHY that person feels that way.
One of the reasons I changed the title of this blog is I felt it should be a place to talk about many things and not just about MWOP or bullying.
Sara I was a member of OHIH where I do believe her court records and financial matters first came to light. There is in my opinion a big difference in the reasons and intent between the two sites. I feel that with OHIH it was more of a means of exposing the lies that JM was telling the world all while professing to be in such a wonderful marriage and being so financially responsible and such. I think that MWOP has in fact gone to the point of stalkerish behavior with this kind of information.
Back in the days of OHIH you werent seeing people posting about how they went to her house or went to places she frequented to either meet her or just watch their family.
MWOP has lost its credibility and I really do think that a lot of those who used to post on MWOP from the days of OHIH have in fact left, disgusted. I was a big poster on MWOP for a while there too but it has just gotten to a point since 1 and 2 are gone that I almost feel like the people there are rabid to tear her apart.
Now Tina knows this as well as she was a big part of it for a while....there was quite an effort to expose JM back then. Mostly because of the fact that she was so adamant in making people think she was so much more then perfect so often. She can still be a self righteous bitch but she is still better then she once was. I think that OHIH and MWOP 1 and 2 did what was their goal....they exposed her for not being so perfect, got her to actually change the way she does some things, and in my opinion she is more honest about things. I really dont think that she has to have everything out there....good lord why should she?
Just my two cents on it all. I still dont like JM and think she is shady as all get out but MWOP has been going too far for too long. Anymore even when they make valid points it makes you wonder why they needed to make them in the first place.
Here's the whole paragraph.
A contract for deed, also known as a "bond for deed," "land contract," or "installment land contract," is a transaction in which the seller finances the sale of his or her own property. In a contract for deed sale, the buyer agrees to pay the purchase price of the property in monthly installments. The buyer immediately takes possession of the property, often paying little or nothing down, while the seller retains the legal title to the property until the contract is fulfilled. The buyer has the right of occupancy and, in states like Minnesota, the right to claim a homestead property tax exemption. The buyer finances the purchase with assistance from the seller, who retains a security in the property.
Couldn't agree more Shannon. I know my comments will be interpreted as being a "sheeple" since I am not agreeing but that is not the case at all. JM makes me want to tear my hair out I get so frusterated but thats where it ends.
PS. what is OHIH? Was this the original MWOP blog? It was so different back then.
-Sara
So my comment has now been removed after being up for 27 min. Surprise surprise! It now says guess post removed. But it still shows 3 people liked it so whatever. Shell needs some serious help. I almost hope she gets contacted by JM's lawyer. I think it's time she feel a little "bullied".
--Sara
Sara OHIH was actually one of the "original" anti JM sites. There is a lot of information that MWOP has that was actually gotten from OHIH. It has been closed for quite sometime now. I believe it started when Stellan was approximately 6 months old and was in force until just a bit after he was "healed".
In my opinion OHIH was fun LOL. Yeah it was a snark site. It was a hate site. It was pretty damn bullyish. But there was lots of drama there because of one thing.....99.9% of all comments stuck around. There wasnt moderation. There were "trolls" and sheeple and haters and middle ground people and everyone would voice their opinions, sometimes vehemently. There was off topic converstaions a lot and talk of other bloggers who were just freaking nuts*.
*Unfortunately the demise came when it became apparent that the blog "owner" was a bit nuts as well and became unhinged.
Here's the link to the info I posted above - if anyone claims it's not accurate:
http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/pub_display.cfm?id=4098
Sara,
What, you mean posts were censored and removed over at mwop? OH no, that can't be true because it's okay to agree to disagree over there and since some complain they can't post over there, they would never, ever, ever do the same thing on their blog. ;) Yes, I'm snarky today.
Anonwalker
Oh interesting, mwopshell is saying she didn't remove anything, yet it stood there for 27 minutes before being removed. People read it, liked it and even replied to the comment.
Then she says the system pulls the comments from first time posters? Well, that never happened to me as a first time poster and I've seen lots of times where people have "said" this was their first post on mwop. What kind of system pulls a comment after it's been posted for a period of time,automatically?
Anyone ever seen that happen before?
Anonwalker
Shannon,
You are spot on today. I agree I think OHIH and even the first mwop really changed how she did things because they dealt with facts for the most part. Yes, there was some snark but it was about the facts.
Now the mwopblog "facts" really aren't facts and they can't even see that for themselves.
Take a latest comment about JM posting photos from her giveway's website, she didn't list where they were from. Well, mwop does that as well, take the skier or even take the header of their blog, no photo credits given.
Anonwalker
It may have deleted my first post because the first time I posted it it disapeared right away. So I had to retype it and actually added some to it and reposted. The one that people liked and stayed up was deleted by her. She claims she put my comment back up but that wasn't the comment that was deleted by her. It says comment removed for everyone to see. The one disqus removed didn't say that. I hate that there is a site to discredit someone when the person running it isn't honest themselves.
-sara
Sara,
Ah, I get it now. I didn't see the first one, I saw the second one and it's replies. That one was clearly removed by the mods.
Your last sentence, spot on.
Anonwalker
Sara,
Don't forget to mention that your comment was flagged and that's how it got removed and that MWOPShell cut and pasted it to make sure you were heard. We wouldn't want facts to interfere with a good rant would we?
And before everyone starts calling me "Shell" I'm not. I read both places and try to point out errors AT BOTH PLACES.......
This comment is priceless, "Hard to believe as it may be, we aren't sitting at the computer waiting to allow (or delete) comments." While this may be true for some of them, there is at least one moderator who seems to be online a lot
Who actually "owns" mwop now? I thought little martyr violet was the owner, I haven't seen her or her pitiful/bitchy attitude in awhile.
Megan
violet has recently miscarried.
"I guess for me the jealousy I see is the CRUNCHY moms on MWOP who want to be just like JM but can't seem to achieve it...."
The thing is, she's *not "crunchy" at all...she says she is, but she's just not. That drives me nuts. :-P
Sara, actually, if she's losing her homes to foreclosure, I do think people have a right to know that and discuss it...same with owing back taxes. Those things affect us all; they aren't just her personal business anymore. Then if she purchased this house through some type of gov't subsidized program, that means tax payers are helping out on that, too, so again, we have the right to know, imo. But I swear, there are some over that who would inspect the crotch of her panties daily, if they could.
Oh, and OHIH was Our Hummus Is Homemade, and one of the original blogs started to bring to light Jennifer's lies and misleading actions. It imploded awhile back but was fun while it lasted. A good handful of us met there.
Megan:
Who knows these days...I guess it is anyones guess?
All I know is every bit of DRAMA has surrounded MWoPshell and she is good at turning on people so if Violet, Cate or LouLou know what is good for them they will watch their back....just ask Pink and Leah about MWoPshell.....
I'm still ticked off that MWoPshell gave me Pink's IRL name and location and NO ONE ever called her out for it...she sure got away with that one!
I am comletely understanding if people don't agree with my comment. I understand that people do think they have the right to know. I don't agree with how it was done is all. My main beef is this comment crap.
To annon who didn't post a name, my second comment is still deleted and not posted. She posted the original one that was deleted immediatley by disqus. The one that sat for 27 minutes is still not there. Whatever, I truely don't care. But even if my comment was flagged I don't want to be apart of that group. There was nothing offensive in my comment to warent flagging me. Either way someone is being childish because they didn't like me voicing my opinion. Whether it be the person who flagged me or the person I believe deleted my comment. It's over now though. I refuse to cause a war over something so small.
-Sara
Sara:
I agree your post should never have been deleted!
You do know MWOP would like everyone to think that EVERYONE agrees with them 100%! I respect you that you have the courage to speak up even when you knew it would go against the grain of how the majority felt! That took guts and I respect you for that! I know how hard it is to be the one who goes against what they agree with and the wrath of MWOP can be hard to take...now at least you have a place you can say how you feel and not be made to feel like your opinion doesn't count!
Thanks Anon 12.24,
She did respond and reposted what was removed. I'm curious, I wonder if it would have been posted if it wasn't questioned? Sadly the same thing they say about JM is also true about mwop, people question because of past behavior.
Anonwalker
Lisa,
How would you then define as a crunchy mom? What is the ratio or does someone have to be 100% 24/7/365 in order to say that? I think this is a nitpick to a certain extent. I consider my family to be crunchy but we eat out, we sometimes eat processed food and so forth.
If we are allowed to discuss everyone who has foreclosed on their homes and/or owe back taxes, that would be a mighty big discussion and there is a reason that many records are private. I don't think we have the right to know peoples privates lives, even when it comes to financial decisions.
Anonwalker
Not Lisa but I want to answer too :)
Anonwalker I live in a town that has a HUGE crunchy community. My opinion of what would be crunchy is probably a bit more then most people would use as a definition because of it.
Organic. Nothing canned. Nothing processed. Nothing that is not sourced. Never anything from a restaurant unless it can be sourced. Potentially vegetarian if not vegan.
Personally I dont understand how anyone can constitute how JM eats and feeds her children of even being in the realm of 'crunchy'. She feeds them from a can 90% of the time when she cooks. Hot dogs are not crunchy. McD's is not crunchy and neither is Subway.
Is JM crunchy because they eat hummus? Even that comes prepackaged she doesnt make it herself so it is processed and therefore not crunchy.
So maybe my question back would be what makes her crunchy? Just because she says so?
And with the foreclosure stuff....I didnt mind it when it was to prove a point. She was doling out advice about finances and marriage when the foreclosure stuff was first brought to light...it was found and it was listed. Like I said before the way that MWOP is doing it right now is not for that purpose....its only purpose is to tear her down.
And by all means I say tear her down if you must but at least do it from a good footing this is not it.
I wonder how long we will have to hear about martyr violetthis time, I remember her going on and on and on some more about her stupid blog and children's pictures. Sorry if that sounds heartless, but perhaps she should lay off the bullying and take care of herself. Karma is a real bitch!
megan
It's all moot. The house has been foreclosed.
I hate that Violet has lost her baby...sorry for anyone who loses a child...
Megan:
I always found it funny that Violet felt so violated that someone posted pictures of her children online yet she allowed Summer Jo's childs picture to be posted on her blog MWOP without Summer Jo's permission. Sound like a double standard? Summer Jo contacted MWOP and told them they had better REMOVE that picture NOW! They did remove it but the fact they posted it and the entire reason they posted it was to make fun of her childs hairbow???? WTF who the hell makes fun of a child???? OK rant over...sorry that just brought back a bad memory!!! LOL
Megan,
It is heartless. If Lauren leaves up your comment then this blog isn't any better than MWOP.
Don't let MWOP fool you, they ban people that they don't want posting on their site. To this day I still can't access the site from home unless I use a proxy. And I didn't even do anything to voilate the TOS.
-Pamala
@Pamala - You started a MWOPWOP blog that you literally called MWOPWOP and stated it was you on this site and you wonder they ban you? Talk about hypocritical.
I could be wrong, but I think Pamela was banned way before she started that blog. What's hypocritical about that?
Anon 2:47, She posted here and then posted on MWOP and then came back here and posted she was starting her MWOPWOP blog all in the same day.
It's hypocritical of her to call someone else out for her behavior. If I started BWOPWOP I wouldn't expect Lauren to give me the privilege of reading and commenting on her site.
The latest post up on mwop says the home has been foreclosed on. So I have question....
Did anyone notice that the details of this house don't match the details of the house in this link?
The first picture on mwop says 5 bedrooms, 4 baths and 3,105 square feet.
Then next photo says 5 bedrooms, 4.5 baths and the same square footage even though they "gained" half a bath somehow.
Note: Neither of these show an actual picture of the house.
Now if you go to the real estate link of the actual house and I'm not going to post it because of the address but it states AND shows a photo of the actual house.
Beds: 4
Baths: 3 Full/2 Half
Sq ft: 4,162 (approx)
So in the almost two years that they have owned the house, how did they lose square footage yet gain a bedroom and at least a half bath?
Color me confused here. I don't post on mwop, not since well I don't trust mwopviolet (but very sorry for her loss) on the blog. Can someone ask them that question over there?
Anonwalker
Anon2:29
Heartless? Hardly. Violet has allowed far worse to be posted on mwop about mckmama. You know what they say about karma...
megan
Oh and at the various anons,
So then no one who posts on mwop should be able to post over at Mckmama, using the same logic. Correct? So then why do they complain they are banned from her facebook, twitter and blog?
Why would JM give anyone who posts over at mwop or who has posted negative comments on her feed the privilege of posting on her streams?
Come one, double standard as plain as day.
Anonwalker
Megan,
Yes heartless and it doesn't matter how Violet has behaved, this is your bad behavior. OWN it and ask for it to be removed because it is uncalled for.
Anonwalker
Anonwalker, at one time I was "crunchy" mom...I grew all our own veggies, bought what we couldn't grow from an organic co-op, bought free range meats grown by farmers we knew, I attachment parented in the true sense of the word, was (am) a fairly militant breastfeeder, I homeschooled/unschooled, we didn't vaccinate, didn't (still don't) do "modern" medicine to a great degree, did the whole recycling and composting deal...I wasn't perfect either; my son wore disposable diapers better than half the time and I'd occasionally give him jarred baby food. I did drive a big gas guzzler truck, too (had to for business). But crunchy moms don't leave their very young kids for extended amounts of time, first and foremost. They also don't feed their kids processed, adult food like that pizza, particularly at Lachlan's and Stellan's age. They also tend to live very simple lifestyles, within their means. Material things are typically not important.
"I don't think we have the right to know peoples privates lives, even when it comes to financial decisions."
But financial records such as foreclosures are rarely private. The simple fact is, when a house is foreclosed upon, and it looks like they now have #3 there, it becomes an issues that financially affects many, many others, not just them. And at that point, morally if not legally, it becomes the business of the taxpayers and neighbors, since they have a right to know where their money is now going and that their property values have now been decreased.
@Megan - I agree with Anon 2:29. This is an innocent child you are talking about. Nothing Violet has done should mean a child has to die.
Megan, I've got to agree with the others. Saying karma is biting her in the ass is basically saying she deserved to have a miscarriage or caused it upon herself, and that's a shitty thing to say. :-/
Lisa,
Wow, then I guess I can't call myself crunchy anymore, at least based on your definition. I'm one of those horrible mothers who left/dropped/whatever their kids in daycare while I went to work. Shocking I know.
But then again on the other hand, I'm not sure I agree with your definition of a crunchy mom, so maybe I will continue to call myself one. Should be safe unless I start a blog or something. ;)
I don't agree about financial records at all, but I will agree to disagree on that subject.
OH and in regards to Megan, she is generating some bad karma herself if you think about it.
Anonwalker
Oh I own it alright. Why should it be removed? Lauren has always given us something you all claim mwop mods don't, freed to express our opinions. If this is removed because you don't agree with MY opinion, how is it any better than mwop ? No it is not that babies fault, but I am sick to death of reading about poor sweet dumb violet, maybe now she will realize how terrible of a person she really is.
megan
I'm still wondering how a house could loose 1,000 square feet in just under 2 years. Anyone?
Anonwalker
Wow Megan. Wow.
Megan,
Fine then don't ask for it to be removed, I hope the karma from such a hateful comment doesn't come back around to you. What you don't seem to understand is that its not about your opinion, its about being a human being and having compassion.
I've been burned by mwopviolet, she is not my favorite mod over there but I would never, ever say hateful things about such a tragic event. Ever, it's called compassion.
Anonwalker
The real estate link probably shows the basement square footage included, Anonwalker. The county doesn't include basements in the square footage of the house.
OK ladies...I am not Megan's mother nor am I the police of Megan's opinion. I have said before..unless someone is using foul language or saying they will do harm to someone the comments will not be deleted.
Megan has to OWN her words like we all do...I don't think Karma is the reason Violet lost her baby....but that is my opinion.
I will not censor anyone...BUT you have to take the good with the bad...others may disagree with what you say and tell you so and that is OK also....
Oh, that would make sense. What about the difference in bathrooms and bedrooms?
Anonwalker
Okay, I just checked my own home on Trulia.com and it's got it listed as having 1.5 baths when it definitely has 2. So, I checked Zillow and it's still got me at 1.5 baths but my lot size got bigger. Yay, me. I think I'd like to see actual addresses to see if it's the same house. Hers, I mean, not mine...lol.
Anonwalker, I don't think you're horrible because you daycared your kids while you worked. Your kids, your family, your business. It wasn't what I wanted or felt was right for my family at that time, but what I think is right isn't always right for everyone else. And you can call yourself anything you like since, you know, you own you. :-D
Oh, and agreed about that Karma and Megan.
Here are the details from the real estate listing, I guess they could say either one of the bonus rooms downstairs is a bedroom, but then wouldn't they also count the sqr footage? I have no idea how this stuff works, just noticed the details didn't match. AW
Room Information
Main Floor
Bedroom: 11x13
Bedroom: 13x15
Dining Room: 12x12
Kitchen: 13x15
Living Room: 19x20
Deck: 14x16
Laundry Room: 13x14
Lower Floor
Bedroom: 12x13
Bedroom: 12x13
Family Room: 25x31
Exercise Room: 12x13
Hobby Room: 11x14
Bathrooms
Full Baths: 3 1/2 Baths: 2
Additional Room Information
Family Room:Lower Level
Dining:Separate/Formal Dining Room, Eat In Kitchen
Bath Description:Main Floor Full Bath, Main Floor 1/2 Bath, Private Master, Full Basement, 1/2 Basement
Interior Features
Square FootageAbove / Below (approx): 2,112 Sq. Ft. Above Ground ,2,050 Sq. Ft. Below Ground
Appliances:Cooktop, Wall Oven, Microwave, Dishwasher, Refrigerator, Air-To-Air Exchanger
Flooring:Hardwood, Tile
Cooling:Central Air
Heating: Propane, Forced Air
Basement:Walkout, Full, Finished (Livable)
Fireplaces: 2, Living Room, Family Room
Additional Interior Features:Kitchen Window, Vaulted Ceiling(s), Exercise Room, Washer/Dryer Hookup
Wow 600,000 women are handed their "karma" each year. Megan, do you think they realize what terrible people they are?
I was just thinking about something....
Megan posted this comment about Violet and many stepped forward and said they didn't agree...
On MWOP you would never see people disagree because they said mean hurtful things all the time and people were afraid to disagree...
At least here...you can say how you feel about something and not fear of being singled out, jumped on or deleted and banned...
Pamela...I see no reason for MWOP not allowing you to comment other than they are afraid of you..you speak the truth and speak your mine and you aren't a MWOP PUPPET so of course they don't want you to post on their blog...LOL
Same reason they delete any mention of this blog...they are afraid the MINDLESS MWOP ladies will read this blog and see the truth and *GASP* their secret will be out....they are bullies!
Right now they are rejoicing that Mckmama has lost another house...who rejoices over anothers misfortune? Funny thing if this is true about Mckmama losing the house....she will really now have a great lawsuit against MWOP because she can prove they caused her to lose her GlamMedia ads and say this is why she lost her home. It sure will look good for Mckmama on her court case....I'm sure Mckmama is busy taking screen shots of all the ladies rejoicing and saying "WE DID IT" "WE DID IT"....they really don't get it that Mckmama is no dummy...she is sitting back taking names and taking notes and the BIG BOMB is going to go off!!!! Just wait...
I don't give a flip about her losing her house again...I feel no sympathy for her at all. None. I'm not rejoicing, but only because it's yet one more time others are going to have to clean up the mess Jennifer and Israel have made with their selfish, materialistic ways. There's nothing to rejoice in that. And she won't have any kind of lawsuit, either, Tina. When you put yourself out there as a public figure, as she has, you voluntarily lose a lot of protection for yourself and your interests. And lol @ you saying she's no dummy...she's truly one of the biggest dumbasses I've come across lately.
Anonwalker,
I just "sprung" for the realtytrac site (trial only and already canceled) that is included in the trulia listing. It lists the address and I ran that address through Sherbourne County assessor's website and the address on realtytrac matches the tax bill with the Mckinney's name on it. It certainly looks to be legit even if the sf is off.
Well I will agree to disagree with you Lisa because I know she is no dummy! Let's just leave it at that...OK I happen to think it will be funny when it all comes out...sit back pour yourself a drink, pop some popcorn cause it will be a good show!
In fact putting herself out there is what will be the WIN in her lawsuit. Read the law...causing someone to lose their income is a WIN. Losing sponsors because of people writing nasty letters to the sponsors and you can say I don't like so and so...but when you start throwing out things that you have no proof of...that is when you get in trouble.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised if her book deal isn't going to be based on HATERS and how she just kept on blogging even with all the hate sites. That will be some funny shit if she gets a book deal because of MWOP and makes lots and lots of money!!!! I can see her writing about the stalkers and the extremes people went to in their attempts to end her blog....think of how over the top so much of the stuff has been...calling her pastor, her neighbor, ANY business she dealt with. The facts are all there and I think a publisher would find this interesting and the types of women who have been so involved in trying to bring down one blogger!
Damn, Tina, you're just weird as hell sometimes. It's growing on me, I'll own that (and scratch a little with my sudden hives), but you are just one funky weird bunny. ;-)
Tina I have to ask you this question. You can answer it or not answer it as is your choice but because you said this I have to ask.
"she will really now have a great lawsuit against MWOP because she can prove they caused her to lose her GlamMedia ads and say this is why she lost her home"
What about her BlogHer or what not ads. The ones that you were on top of all the time since the days of OHIH. The ones that you contacted the company about several times, according to you, even after OHIH because she was breaking the rules in your opinion.
I think we can all agree she was making a hell of a lot more money from them then she was through the other companies she has worked with. So with your logic could that not also open yourself up to this lawsuit with MWOP because she lost a big chunk of her livelihood?
Good question Shannon, I was wondering the same thing.
Shannon:
I had Blogher Ads and knew the RULES. The only thing I ever did was contact Jenny at Blogher and ask why she wasn't following the rules. If you remember correctly they made her start following the rules and she had to make a review site. I always signed my name because I knew I had a vested interest in knowing why the rules only applied to some. I never asked them to cancell her ads...EVER!
Blogher makes you sign a contract and the rules are very clear...she lost her blogher ads not because of me or anything to do with what I asked about.
Hope that clears that up for you.
Sorry Shannon just saw the last part of your question so I will answer that about me being opened up to her lawsuit...no I'm not worried cause I know I never caused her to lose any income.
Big difference in being a member of an organization and you know the rules and you signed the same contract but someone is being treated different. Blogher realized she wasn't following the rules and they corrected it and that made me happy. Rules are rules and if I had to follow them she had to follow them also!
Aight that does clear it up for me because it was sitting in the back of my mind and I had to ask. I am pretty sure the main reason she lost those ads was the plagiarism issue.
I just wanted to ask the question. Get it out there. Get your take on that part as it was out there right now. Thank you for answering so promptly.
Glam Media is run by a homosexual woman and the moment Jennifer put up their ads she ran a post about how gay marriage is a sin. You think that might have played a part in her losing those ads?
This is supposed to be about bullies, not just MWOP, right?
Actually, some people from MWOP found out that Glam Media is run by a homosexual woman, and they contacted her to let her know what Jennifer was posting. So had MWOP not informed her, JM might still have her Glam Media ads.
I apologize as anon 4:29 is clearly sick of us talking about MWOP, right?
WOW I am shocked by what Mwopviolet just posted on MWOP...
MWOPViolet 8 comments collapsed
Collapse Expand Hi guys, checking in real quick to say I am AMAZED we have hit 3 million! And I wanted to thank each and every one of you who reached out to me. This is a wonderful way to get my mind on other (Amazing) things!
A person who just lost a child thinks it is AMAZING that someone lost their home? Talk about not having a heart....now I can understand why someone would have said what Megan said about Violet and to think I was actually feeling sorry for her....WOW just WOW! I guess losing a baby didn't change Mwopviolet and she is still just as NASTY as before..what a shame! Mwopviolet I doubt Mckmama would say it is AMAZING that you lost your baby...maybe you should think of how horrible that statement sounds coming from someone who just lost a baby!
I guess compassion is not in some people's hearts at all....lets hope she doesn't receive the same type of heartless comments about her loss...doesn't matter what the misfortune is..you should never find joy in anothers sorrow!
Um, Tina, I think Violet is AMAZED that the MWOP site hit 3 million. She did not mention Jennifer losing her home at all.
Also, Tina, how do you feel about the McKinney family losing three homes to foreclosure in just a few years? Do you think that shows irresponsibility on their part?
Isn't the fact that Violet had a miscarriage, a misfortune?
Megan already made a "heartless" comment, about Violet's loss, and you said "now you understand why Megan said that."
I guess you're right, "compassion is not in some people's hearts at all."
When did Violet takeover over mwop? I can't believe she's excited about hitting the 3 million mark, when all she was take the counter from the first MWop and placed it on hers.
Wow... I've seen ugly things said on the MWOP site, but this site just beat that site all to heck.
First megan implies mwopviolet's miscariage is her fault, or somehow deserved - and Lauren lets the comment stand.
Now Lauren is chastising mwopviolet for being amazed at all of the people who reached out to her in her time of need?
Disgusting.
Anon 5.59,
If you think this site and the two, yes two comments that you mention beats the 100's of comments by mwop on a daily basis, I have to ask you to go back and check your math because it's not adding up.
Lisa,
I think JM deserves compassion as well if she has lost her house again. I think anyone who has bad things happen to them deserves compassion even if it is of their own creation as this may be.
Anonwalker
Anonwalker, I understand always having compassion for others, but can you also have compassion along with holding someone responsible for their errors?
I feel extremely sorry for JM and family. I also think that she and her husband need to be responsible for their poor choices.
Lauren commented: I'm sure Mckmama is busy taking screen shots of all the ladies rejoicing and saying "WE DID IT" "WE DID IT"
I just looked over the comments on MWOP and I didn't see a single one rejoicing or saying anything similar to "we did it". Can you copy and paste the comments you're referring to?
Also, I'm curious about something. When some of you were participating in OHIH and MWOP, were you there because you were jealous of "McMama"? And were you participating in bullying?
It seems like you're saying that you were there for good reasons, but anyone participating in the current MWOP is there for negative reasons. Doesn't that seem a little (or a lot) hypocritical?
Anon 6.21,
Yes, I think you can.
Anon 6.38,
The current mwop isn't anything like OHIH and the orignal.
Anonwalker
"First megan implies mwopviolet's miscariage is her fault, or somehow deserved - and Lauren lets the comment stand."
I think it's good she left the commment. It leaves a standing record here of a very nasty comment being made, and really, it was made about a *baby as well as about Violet, and everyone immediately, regardless of agreeing on other topics or not, came together to denounce said nasty comment. I think that's a good thing to leave a permanent record of, personally.
Anonwalker, if someone smashes their head through a window, I feel sorry for them. The second time they smash their head through a window, I'm less sorry for them but hey, maybe they're feeble minded. The third time they smash their head through a window, I'm not sorry for them anymore. They are either just dumb as hell and have no regard for windows or need institutionalized. Now, if they need institutionalized, I can feel some compassion kick in again, but if they just don't learn that smashing your head through windows is bad, I don't give a shit. Zero compassion, just a heightened interest in the freak show. I do feel sorry for their kids, though...a *lot.
Fully agree Anonwalker. The current MWOP is a lousy imitation of OHIH and the original. From my perspective there was some level of control with both...some kind of rhyme and reason. There were boundaries. There arent with MWOP as it is now.
Hell today I actually commented on MWOP about the whole fact of putting up the neighbors information like it was. Why does the neighbors info need to be there to prove whatever point there was that Shell was trying to make? Why did she feel the need to leave any of their information on there. Nope no trying to point that out...."it is a matter of public record." Ya know what fine and good it can be public record that doesnt give Shell the right to post that kind of information.
OK let me get to first things first...
Rejoicing is exactly what they are doing and I never said they said "WE DID IT"..it was an example..pleaseeeeeeeeee
A person doesn't need an large IQ to read MWOP and see how excited they are...YES they are rejoicing because they are happy to see her fail!
If they really have lost the house due to their own actions then they fully deserve to lose their third house in a handful of years. I feel sorry for the kids. I do feel bad for Izzy and JM to a point but only to a point. It is rough out there and trying to find a job right now is not an easy task. But I dont know that their manner of getting money is all that brilliant either. I can only imagine how much they are currently spending daily on this RV trip. I cannot imagine that she is getting enough photo shoots in to cover that expense as well as the house.
@anaon 4:40 - You don't think Glam Media have interns reading the blogs they use as advertising and she would have slipped that hot potato beyond them?
(MWOPViolet)"Hi guys, checking in real quick to say I am AMAZED we have hit 3 million! And I wanted to thank each and every one of you who reached out to me. This is a wonderful way to get my mind on other (Amazing) things!"
(Lauren) "A person who just lost a child thinks it is AMAZING that someone lost their home? Talk about not having a heart...."
Lauren, where in MWOPViolet's statement did she rejoice about the McKinney's losing their home? Please show me.
NEXT...
Mwopviolet never said I am AMAZED by the 3,000,000 hits today...you know exactly what she was talking about and that doesn't take a "ROCKET SCIENTIST" to figure out...
BTW I never said I was glad she lost her baby...nice try to take away from the issue at hand..I'll give you that one. I said with her being so NASTY I could understand why someone like Megan would say what they said....
Here let me break it down for ya...
When someone is NASTY and MEAN others began to have no kind feelings for them. You know they are rude..bossy...mean spirited and treat others like crap. Next thing you know they are faced with a crisis in their own personal life and guess what...the peopple they have been nasty and mean to...they feel like that person deserves none of their compassion..
DISCLOSURE: I NEVER said this is how I felt..I said I now can understand why someone else feels this way. Someone else being Megan...obviously Violet hurt Megan and do I agree with the way Megan worded it...I already said I didn't. But I am not deleting her comment because she owned it! No different than the ladies that say what they say about Mckmama..Violet doesn't delete the mean awful comments and I'm not either. Like I said..use foul language or say you are going to harm someone and I will delete.
Now to the person who asked how I feel about Mckmama and (if this is true) the loss of her house.
That's a simple one to answer...
What house?
If you believe MWOP she didn't OWN the house so how can you have a house you don't own foreclosed on?
I guess that answers that question...because we all know EVERYTHING on MWOP is TRUTH!!!!! {{giggle}}
@Lauren - I'm seeing a lot of posts on MWOP saying they can't believe the Mckinneys lost another house and how they feel terrible for the kids, nothing about being happy about it. I think you might be reading too far between the lines and seeing what you want.
@Shannon - Lauren posts people full given names on this blog. She gets the information from the internet so what is the difference? Both are public records so why does Lauren have the right to publish public information, but others don't?
@Megan - You need some help, sweetie. That is a lot of anger.
@Anonwalker - You're a class act. Seriously. No snark.
"When someone is NASTY and MEAN others began to have no kind feelings for them."
Oh, Tina, you are funny. I am almost tempted to fire up my old laptop and screenshot some of here some of the nasty, mean things that came out of your mouth back in the days of OHIH. Fortunately for you, I have found Grannies to be boring targets. You should go love on those four granddaughters of yours and give up this blogging thing, seriously.
Can I have a list of which "foul language" words can be used here and which cannot? Thanks!
Lisa,
That isn't a great analogy, it isn't as simple as a single action of a head hitting a window. I make the same mistakes many times over the course of my life and I darn well hope people still have compassion for me despite me.
I can't get on board for your I don't give a shit just like I couldn't get on board with Megan and slamming mwopviolet,sorry.
I also wouldn't so easily jump back on the mwop bandwagon, I've done a few searches and outside of the very specific link that mwop posted, it isn't coming up anywhere.
Anonwalker
Anonwalker, I'm not 100% ready to buy this foreclosure stuff either...it's fun to speculate, though, since my alternative is putting drops in a cat's eye. :-P
You're right, my window analogy wasn't the best unless I specified I was having to chip in to pay for the repair of that window each time. I, too, have made mistakes more than once, although I honestly don't think I ever hit #3 for something so major. But it's one thing to make silly mistakes repeatedly, and quite another to do something as life-altering major as to lose a home 3 times. That not only leaves them in a mess, it leaves other people having to clean their mess. You'd think the absolute shame after the first time would prevent #2, but apparently something went amiss in that equation for them. But hey, I'm good with agreeing to disagree. :-)
JM nor Izzy have a conscience - that's why it is so easy for them to screw up and and walk away with a shrug of their shoulders. It doesn't matter to them.
Anon 7.16,
Keep reading.
Anonwalker
"Mwopviolet never said I am AMAZED by the 3,000,000 hits today...you know exactly what she was talking about and that doesn't take a "ROCKET SCIENTIST" to figure out..."
Here are mwopviolet's own words that you pasted above: "Hi guys, checking in real quick to say I am AMAZED we have hit 3 million! And I wanted to thank each and every one of you who reached out to me. This is a wonderful way to get my mind on other (Amazing) things!"
Unless you are reading something that no one else is, where is she rejoicing about a foreclosure, or even mentioning it?
Do you think that maybe, just possibly, you are injecting things into other people's words so that they mean what you want them to?
I also have to agree with Anon 7:16. I've not seen any comments on mwop rejoicing over them losing their home (if they in fact did - who knows).
This site can't claim credibility if you're going to twist other people's words around to mean what you want them to.
Lisa,
I don't know but I think all humans deserve compassion and we can agree to disagree, I'm good with that.
Anon 7.38,
How on earth do you know if they have a conscience or not, do you know them personally or just judging based on an internet blog?
Anonwalker
"How on earth do you know if they have a conscience or not, do you know them personally or just judging based on an internet blog?"
That's funny! Isn't that what the people on this blog do when it comes to the people on the Mwop blog? Many of the comments here - about why people are doing things, what their motives are - are based on an internet blog.
@Anonwalker - You mean you aren't a class act?
Anon 7.44,
No that isn't what is happening here for the most part, if that is what you think that then I ask you to read again because what is being discussed here for the post part (Megan type comments ignored) is contradictions in the written word, double standards in the written word, actions that are can and are shown on the internet.
Conscience can't be shown on the internet no matter what you claim.
Anonwalker
Anon 7.55,
LoL...thank you for the compliment but I meant for you to keep reading in your comment to Lauren about not seeing glee on mwop.
Not only have I been snarky today, but slow. ;)
Anonwalker
"I don't know but I think all humans deserve compassion"
You're a nicer (or something) person than me, then. I have a heart full of compassion when things happen to people that are beyond their control and even once if it was within their control. People are human and screw up...everyone is allowed a bad mistake. But when someone *repeatedly is irresponsible and careless, I have no compassion for them. They're doing it to themselves and often, to others, too.
So, I checked MWOP...I'm seeing a lot of people feeling genuinely sorry for the McKinney kids, as do I, assuming this is true. I'm not seeing hardly anyone *say they are rejoicing, but I must admit, that's the overall mood I picked up on there. For whatever it's worth, anyway.
anon 7:16pm
The names of bullies are posted.
The neighbors of Mckmama have not been bullies and don't deserve to have their names posted.
Good try maybe next time!
Lisa the nasty comments are there and it is just in the last 100 comments they have been saying how bad they feel for the kids...
Keep reading they are there....
"@Shannon - Lauren posts people full given names on this blog. She gets the information from the internet so what is the difference? Both are public records so why does Lauren have the right to publish public information, but others don't?"
Anon 7:16
The difference? Maybe the big flat glaring difference between Tina posting people's full names is because they are willing and active participants. That being said as far as this blog site is concerned. JM's neighbors....they probably dont even have a clue about any of the BS that their neighbor with her 5 cute kids is up to. How is it even close to being the same?
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This is from TODAY
Anonwalker at 6:10 pm-
Are you saying that this whole site shouldn't be judged by the comments of individuals?
Wow, so much activity here today. I just read and caught up. It's almost like a job to keep up with all that's going on.
Im surprised to see Violet still caring about the website. If I had lost a baby, I would not at all be thinking of my website hits or Jennifer Mckinney. Imagine being depressed and reading more depressing stuff? And to leave trigger happy Shell to run the blog with scissors?
And apparently, there is someone named Charlene Fread who is messaging and harassing people on FB (those who comment in favor of JM). So I checked to see who that was... and it is none other that Big Bully CCinMotion/SeeSeeSome
Now there's another name for you!
Oh, lord, I knew I recognized that name, Charlene Fread. I just couldn't remember from where. She needs to stick to posting pictures of hre...um...landing strip and leave people alone. Or maybe not. I'm not sure, actually.
Tina, I did read back and sure, a few YAYed but overall, few *said anything that rejoiced. Like I said, though, that's the overall tone of many statements. I wasn't arguing that with you.
"The neighbors of Mckmama have not been bullies and don't deserve to have their names posted."
Yet, names of a couple who *never* bullied anyone were posted on FWOP or whatever it was and you condoned/took part in that? What's the difference? Not that I think it should have happened on MWOP, either - I don't. And let's not forget the whole Island Baby mess... :-(
Yes Lisa I'm so glad you are talking about the Island baby mess because I am still pissed that someone stole my blogger profile and did that...
Isn't it terrible that people will stoop to such low levels and hurt innocent people just so they can try and bully someone. WOW we all know how that turned out...
Now the FWOP I have talked with you about this before and you know that if we go back to Daisy site every name I saw posted had contributed to Daisy and said ugly things about GM...now if you care to share who you are talking about I'm sure the post are still there and maybe they never said anything bad about her...although I doubt it. Now what you mean by I took part in that I'm not sure...you know that wasn't my blog and I have already told you I knew who had it and why they did it.
I believe just like the people saying GM stole money from the Krista thing without anyone having any proof and people went on and on slandering her name and yet now...people are like maybe she really didn't and I don't remember why anyone even said that.
When people slander you on the Internet and spread rumors that aren't true and a year later say...maybe that wasn't true...the damage has already been done...how do you tell all the people who came along and read all the nasty things posted on Daisy a year ago...those people are now gone and believe what they read...yet now you say...maybe it wasn't true and they are no longer around to read that you now think you made a mistake...just like the Island Baby...why would I post a comment on someones blog I didn't know and say something awful about their sick child??? That would be because I didn't and google was contacted and proved it was not me or GM...maybe you should ask Island Baby because google said they provided her with the IP address and location of the comments and they told her it wasn't either of us. The proof was that your google icon doesn't show up if you type in the name and blog address...google told Island Baby all this but I guess it wasn't important enough to tell all of you..instead you guys continued to say things that were not true. Sorry but I'm really sick of people thinking they can say whatever and not have the facts to back it up....I let you guys go on and on and I'm not that same person any longer...I've been bullied for the last time and I will speak up and tell you just how it is...
Sorry to everyone else that you are having to read all this but I'm totally sick of it!
I have a new post scheduled for tomorrow in the morning but I am going out of town again tomorrow and will be gone until Sunday....don't be jealous...this is our family gathering for Father's Day and we are all meeting at a resort for a long weekend.
Please don't be ugly and I have someone who is going to monitor the comments and she can delete if there is a problem while I am gone. If anyone notices anything you can email me and I will get the message on my phone...I don't plan on being on the computer since I plan on enjoying my family..
Nite Nite
They're giddy alright over there.
6 lkes for 'The "I'm sorry you misunderstood" was salt in the wound. Organic sea salt that is.'
It's revolting.
@Lauren - Public information is public information. You have a right to look for and publish people's public information, but others do not have the same right, simply because you don't like what someone has said or the way they have behaved? Why do you get to decide what *public information is published elsewhere?
I'm not saying what they did was right, but they took information that is public and readily accessible and used it for their own gain. You do the exact same thing here.
@Anon 9:28 Seesee whatever her name is now needs a life.
anon 11:01pm
Not sure what you are talking about?
Tina I will back Lisa on this. I know for 100% certainty and fact that one of the names and a photo of her child were used on FWOP and she had NEVER said one word negative about any of you. She had only been on Daisy for maybe a few weeks before that all happened and didnt even have a clue as to any of you. The very worst thing that MIGHT have ever come out of her would have been something along the lines of 'I dont know who these people are you are talking about but they dont sound like very nice people'....that my dear is not saying anything ugly or bullying about anyone that is making a reflection based upon what you have heard not forming an opinion and saying so and so is a such and such.
And I am sorry but SeeSee scares the crap outta me....she is an odd duck......and not scared like in she will hurt me I mean scared like she is off her rocker crazy :)
Tina, re: the whole Island Baby mess - It *was proven to be GM, I understand. She made a very stupid slip and someone caught it. They didn't say a word to her about it, she may not even know to this day that she made the slip, but she most certainly did and it was proof positive she was behind it all. Now, since your profile was "stolen" in the same manner hers was, well...you know. It looks bad. Really bad. And sorry, but I don't believe Google told you what they did or did not provide someone else with. You know, since that would not only violate their own TOS, but would be illegal. But hey, if you say you took no part in it, I have to go with that since you made no such slip to prove otherwise. And if you've corrected your ways and are a different person, then that's great - seriously! Maybe, if that's the case, you have a good idea of who "stole" your profile now...or not. Who knows with you, but thanks for clarifying. ;-)
Oh, and about the person who never said anything bad, I'm not going to name her name here since she's still really bothered by it all and I'd just be doing it to her all over again, but believe me, she, at *worst, maybe laughed at something someone else said. It's just bizarre that her name wound up there.
Lisa,
We go with the or something, I'm good with that, but I would rather have compassion for someone than contempt, hate, glee or whatever. Not saying that you have those feelings towards JM but I have certainly read those emotions on mwop on this subject.
Anon 9.06,
No that isn't what I said, what I said was your math doesn't add up. You mention two comments out of how many versus the 100's of comments on a daily basis over at mwop? YOUR math doesn't add up is what I said.
Anonwalker
Help me out here, what is FWOP? I'm not full of caffeine yet this morning and for the life of me can't figure it out.
Anonwalker
FWOP was basically a pathetic attempt at some serious passive aggressive behavior.
As you have read several times there are quite a few of us from back in OHIH days. Well when OHIH imploded people went to several different places, ugly feelings were felt on many sides, and instead of going to the source FWOP was set up as a means to post full names of posters, their spouses, post pictures of their children and their families, where they lived, some google pics of people's houses.....and the amazing thing in my mind was when one of the people who was 'exposed' on this site started her own stupid little WOP site and posted a puzzle pic of GM and her grandson.....the same people who were being targeted on FWOP said OH HELL NO....her grandson had nothing to do with anything....however the person that Lisa and I have talked about did nothing to these people and had not only her name, her blog, but also her child's photo put out there. My husband's photo also got to be tossed on there as well because apparently he is involved in my blog world a lot as well LOL
Wow. I stopped following OHIH when the writer of the blog was staying in hotels and was homeless and taking donations for further hotel stays. I think it went private then?
Anonwalker
Anonwalker.....as far as I know she set the blog up to private but there were never any invited readers. Dont know what ever happened to her and even as I said to her in an email....she could sit there and tell the world what she wanted but for all we know she is a stay at home housewife with too much time on her hands :)
@Lauren MWOP culled through the *public tax records and posted them to make their case. You cull through the Internet to find things people have said to make your case. The *only difference is you feel you have a *right to do that because they are bullies but really there is no difference.
Anon 9.23,
I think you are missing a piece to the puzzle. This blog takes things from the internet and compares them to things on the internet. Mwop takes small pieces of public information on the internet and compares to a blog, which is a small piece of life. There is much unknown in those while there isn't with many of these posts.
Anonwalker
I think this site does exactly what MWOP does--attract people who end up leaving comments that are distasteful. MWOP's actual posts are just fact-finding info, and are NOT bullying. What an insult to people who actually get bullied. Public figures have sites that watch them--it's called the media. It's part of being a PUBLIC figure. The MWOP people are pointing out stuff that is off, just like any other "watch dog." Now, should they? Not my place to say. Personally I think the media makes too big of a deal about politicians' sex scandals rather than their horrible work related stuff. The bullying is always in the comments that follow, just like here. Just like on any news article you find online where people show their racist, sexist nature. At least the Mods at MWOP will call people out, delete posts, and ban people who are being nasty. No one over there was happy about anyone losing a home. They feel for those children. They were amazed that the counter hit a number. That's all. Yes, everything is open to interpretation, but you are not doing anyone a favor by having this site. JM certainly could care less-she is a blogger who depends on clicks, and MWOP has been the best thing that has happened to her. Without the drama, she'd have to rely on her mothering tips. The MWOP peeps sound like they all used to follow her for those until they realized she was making most of it up. It's not bullying. In fact, she can choose not to read over there. Is it bullying if the target doesn't see? Yes, maybe the twitters and FB messages can be harsh, but you cannot blame that on MWOP, as they tell people to stop going to her sites. They do not condone that behavior.
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